Piso Podang Batak or Borneo?

VVV · 25th April 2011, 12:29 PM

I have 2 and have had another 2 of the straight ones and none with a screw like you describe?
I haven't seen any pictures with a Batak carrying a chenangkas so I suspect that they are all Malay, maybe originating from Malacca (Portuguese and Indian influences)?

Michael

Norman McCormick · 25th April 2011, 12:46 PM

Hi Guys,
Can you post some stats on the straight blades you have. Just wondering about the possible Indian influences, see attached photo of an Indian sword of mine with a not dissimilar blade profile.
Regards,
Norman.

VVV · 25th April 2011, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

Hi Guys,
Can you post some stats on the straight blades you have. Just wondering about the possible Indian influences, see attached photo of an Indian sword of mine with a not dissimilar blade profile.
Regards,
Norman.

What kind of stats do you want?
Please tell us some more about your Indian blade?

Michael

erikscollectables · 25th April 2011, 12:47 PM

I'll do some researching in the Dutch museums and see if they have any straight ones....They certainly are far more rare than the curved ones.

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

I have 2 and have had another 2 of the straight ones and none with a screw like you describe?
I haven't seen any pictures with a Batak carrying a chenangkas so I suspect that they are all Malay, maybe originating from Malacca (Portuguese and Indian influences)?

Michael

VVV · 25th April 2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by erikscollectables

I'll do some researching in the Dutch museums and see if they have any straight ones....They certainly are far more rare than the curved ones.

There are a few at Leiden (of course). But it's not sure that they really are made by the Bataks.

Michael

erikscollectables · 25th April 2011, 02:51 PM

There was a lot of trade between these locations so it will be hard to tell which was made where. All three I have came from old to very old Dutch collections that were only linked to Sumatra not one of the other places.....so most probably that is the location they were found at.

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Originally Posted by VVV

There are a few at Leiden (of course). But it's not sure that they really are made by the Bataks.

Michael

Norman McCormick · 29th April 2011, 12:48 PM

Hi Michael,
Apologies for the late reply. The stats I would like are the length, width but most particularly the thickness of the blade. I am also very interested in the flexibility of these type of blades. Please see my thread re the Indian blade/sword type Sukhela.
My Regards,
Norman.

VVV · 1st May 2011, 06:53 AM

Norman,

Here are the stats for two I still have (lenght all, lenght blade, width at base, thickness center in cm):
1) 84, 72, 3, and 0,02
2) 116, 96, 3 and 0,5

The first has an old European blade.

Michael

rasdan · 25th April 2011, 02:13 PM

G'day VVV,

I had attached a picture of the cup assembly. The screw is strange, it is not solid, it has some kind of resin in it. I don't know why they would do this whole complicated things when they can just cast the entire hilt like other hilts. (Is it? Sorry for my ignorance) Probably to fix the blade?

I think actually everybody used to manufacture this sort of sword. Since there's a lot of similarity, we can't really say which is which..

25th April 2011, 12:46 PM	#2
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,613	Hi Guys, Can you post some stats on the straight blades you have. Just wondering about the possible Indian influences, see attached photo of an Indian sword of mine with a not dissimilar blade profile. Regards, Norman. Attached Images

1st May 2011, 06:53 AM	#8
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Norman, Here are the stats for two I still have (lenght all, lenght blade, width at base, thickness center in cm): 1) 84, 72, 3, and 0,02 2) 116, 96, 3 and 0,5 The first has an old European blade. Michael Attached Images

25th April 2011, 02:13 PM	#9
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 368	G'day VVV, I had attached a picture of the cup assembly. The screw is strange, it is not solid, it has some kind of resin in it. I don't know why they would do this whole complicated things when they can just cast the entire hilt like other hilts. (Is it? Sorry for my ignorance) Probably to fix the blade? I think actually everybody used to manufacture this sort of sword. Since there's a lot of similarity, we can't really say which is which.. Attached Images

25th April 2011, 12:29 PM	#1
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	I have 2 and have had another 2 of the straight ones and none with a screw like you describe? I haven't seen any pictures with a Batak carrying a chenangkas so I suspect that they are all Malay, maybe originating from Malacca (Portuguese and Indian influences)? Michael

29th April 2011, 12:48 PM	#7
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,613	Hi Michael, Apologies for the late reply. The stats I would like are the length, width but most particularly the thickness of the blade. I am also very interested in the flexibility of these type of blades. Please see my thread re the Indian blade/sword type Sukhela. My Regards, Norman.