A cup hilt sword for coments.

M ELEY · 17th April 2011, 07:30 AM

Fernando, I sent you a PM. Again, remember me in your will! Actually, I hope you live a very long time, my friend and continue to post amazing pieces such as this. Still green with envy...

Jim McDougall · 18th April 2011, 04:49 AM

Captain Mark, you guys OK over there in N.C.? Unbelievable that many tornados in one day!! Everything here in Texas is on fire, but we seem to be in one place in the middle away from the rest.

Didnt mean to sidetrack....this truly is a beauty of a sword, and Fernando's collection is undisputedly world class!!!

All the best,
Jim

M ELEY · 21st April 2011, 12:08 AM

Hello Jim,
Sorry, was away from the forum for awhile. We were lucky that the tornados didn't touch down in our area, but many were seen in surrounding counties. We did lose power for awhile, but out of respect to those that recieved the worst of the storms, I won't complain. I've seen the news on that spreading conflagration (!) in Texas, too big to call it anything else. I do hope you, your family and the Book Mobile (

) is far away from any of the trouble spots. Thank you for asking.

Please continue with the discussion on this fantastic sword...

dana_w · 15th April 2014, 09:18 PM

This Spanish Colonial cup hilt has a grip very similar to the one posted by fernando. Maybe these photos might be useful here for comparison.

fernando · 16th April 2014, 01:06 PM

Dana, i have no words !
Definitely this grip and mine were made by the same workshop ... or even the same smith; not to say both swords came out from the same origin.
Can you advance some further info on this example ... a link, a description, anything ?
Tha would be rather interesting, not to say vital, for my sword record.

dana_w · 16th April 2014, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

Dana, i have no words !
Definitely this grip and mine were made by the same workshop ... or even the same smith; not to say both swords came out from the same origin.
Can you advance some further info on this example ... a link, a description, anything ?
Tha would be rather interesting, not to say vital, for my sword record.

Hi fernando, I just knew that you'd want too see this cup hilt. I can't tell you much about it with any certainty. There are two contradictory stories and I have not been able to verify either of them. I know that it was purchased by father over ten years ago in St. Augustine Florida.

One story has it belonging to Georges Biassou, a slave who became a leader of the 1791 Haïtian Revolution. He fought with Spanish royalists against the French Revolutionary authorities in colonial Haïti. In 1795 Biassou moved to St. Augustine.

Another person has told me that they once owned the sword, and that it was purchased at a European auction house in the 90s.

I am working on the photos today. If you'd like I can post more images here when I am done along with the measurements. Maybe you and Jim can help me with the description...?

fernando · 16th April 2014, 03:40 PM

Thank you Dana.
I bet Jim will enjoy dissecting your sword historic provenance possibilities.
Mine was bought in a Spanish antique weapons site. But you know, this is a small world and things (swords) jump from one place to another with amazing facility.
I will be expecting further pictures and measurements of your piece.

15th April 2014, 09:18 PM	#4
dana_w Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Southeast Florida, USA Posts: 436	This Spanish Colonial cup hilt has a grip very similar to the one posted by fernando. Maybe these photos might be useful here for comparison. Attached Images

17th April 2011, 07:30 AM	#1
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,141	Fernando, I sent you a PM. Again, remember me in your will! Actually, I hope you live a very long time, my friend and continue to post amazing pieces such as this. Still green with envy...

18th April 2011, 04:49 AM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,192	Captain Mark, you guys OK over there in N.C.? Unbelievable that many tornados in one day!! Everything here in Texas is on fire, but we seem to be in one place in the middle away from the rest. Didnt mean to sidetrack....this truly is a beauty of a sword, and Fernando's collection is undisputedly world class!!! All the best, Jim

21st April 2011, 12:08 AM	#3
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,141	Hello Jim, Sorry, was away from the forum for awhile. We were lucky that the tornados didn't touch down in our area, but many were seen in surrounding counties. We did lose power for awhile, but out of respect to those that recieved the worst of the storms, I won't complain. I've seen the news on that spreading conflagration (!) in Texas, too big to call it anything else. I do hope you, your family and the Book Mobile ( ) is far away from any of the trouble spots. Thank you for asking. Please continue with the discussion on this fantastic sword...

16th April 2014, 01:06 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Dana, i have no words ! Definitely this grip and mine were made by the same workshop ... or even the same smith; not to say both swords came out from the same origin. Can you advance some further info on this example ... a link, a description, anything ? Tha would be rather interesting, not to say vital, for my sword record.

16th April 2014, 03:40 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you Dana. I bet Jim will enjoy dissecting your sword historic provenance possibilities. Mine was bought in a Spanish antique weapons site. But you know, this is a small world and things (swords) jump from one place to another with amazing facility. I will be expecting further pictures and measurements of your piece.