Katzbalgers and Related Landsknecht Swords

Matchlock · 30th March 2011, 04:50 PM

These two Landsknecht daggers in the Legermuseum range among the finest I have ever seen.

For the first I would suggest a date of almost exactly 1500, the other might be a decade or so younger.

Best,
m

Matchlock · 23rd July 2011, 06:10 PM

Sold Thomas Del Mar, in association with Sotheby's, Dec 8, 2010, incorrectly dated 'late 16th c.' in the description.

Best,
Michael

machinist · 24th July 2011, 11:30 PM

What a glorious twohander!
Running wolf and all!

Matchlock · 26th July 2011, 07:58 PM

And preserved in virtually 'untouched', heavily olive oil patinated condition as well!

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 29th July 2011, 06:24 PM

Enjoy!

m

Matchlock · 29th July 2011, 06:26 PM

Please also see my threads

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14115

and

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht+hand+swords

Best,
Michael

cornelistromp · 29th July 2011, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock

Sold Thomas Del Mar, in association with Sotheby's, Dec 8, 2010, incorrectly dated 'late 16th c.' in the description.

Best,
Michael

Hi Michael,

I think this lot remained unsold, I had a look at it after the auction but did not 'like" it.

best,

Matchlock · 29th July 2011, 07:05 PM

Hi Jasper,

You're right, of course; it should read 'failed to sell'.
Apart from that: well, I dislike the leather on the grip but on the other hand, I wasn't there to handle it. So your knowledge on this is doubtlessly more profound than mine.

Thanks, and best,
Michael

cornelistromp · 29th July 2011, 08:49 PM

Hi Michael,

I've got a nice contribution of a grosses messer, a discovery found in the soil of Bavaria (your backyard?) "Dreieck" Hauzenstein, Liebergen und Haslach near the eastern way Regensburg - Nittenau.
With this knife is a belt hook with a Nuremberg mark and chape found.
the belt hook is very interesting because it has a system with a spring and a plate to fix the sword.
The condition has been excavated, but as single handed Messers are very rare, I'm happy with it.
remains of the original wooden handle and wooden Pflockniete (rivets) are available.

best from holland,

Matchlock · 30th July 2011, 03:49 PM

Hi Jasper,

Nice item you've acquired there, congratulations!

Actually it was not exactly excavated in my backyard

but some 40 km northwest from where I live. Of course I know that region very well as I used to study and afterwards live in Regensburg for almost 25 years.

It's really well preserved, with no yellowish, aggressive salt points visible on the images.

The combination with the belt hook is highly remarkable too, as well as the fact that the latter is Nuremberg marked, and left of this there seems to be another coat of arms, probably the one of Bavaria.

What I would be interested to learn: could you please give us the overall length, blade length and width of blade at the quillons?
Is this the original bottom mount of the sheath right near the tip of the blade?

Thanks a lot for sharing,
Michael

cornelistromp · 31st July 2011, 07:45 PM

Hi Michael,

well almost your backyard then.

all the parts are found together also the chape.
remarkable because in most images Messer are worn with out any sheath.
also a picture of the belt hook with spring to secure the plate.

The measurements are:
the sword allover: 80,5 cm
the blade length/width: 67,0 cm / 4,2 cm
blade is single edged wit a fuller at both sides.
the crossguard: 22,5 cm
the ring in diameter: 7,0 cm / 4 cm

best,

30th March 2011, 04:50 PM	#1
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	These two Landsknecht daggers in the Legermuseum range among the finest I have ever seen. For the first I would suggest a date of almost exactly 1500, the other might be a decade or so younger. Best, m Attached Images

23rd July 2011, 06:10 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	A Fine Landsknecht German or Swiss Two Hand Sword, ca. 1540 Sold Thomas Del Mar, in association with Sotheby's, Dec 8, 2010, incorrectly dated 'late 16th c.' in the description. Best, Michael Attached Images

29th July 2011, 06:24 PM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	An Irish Great Sword (two hand sword) of 1521, in a Drawing by Albrecht Dürer Enjoy! m Attached Images

29th July 2011, 08:49 PM	#9
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	Hi Michael, I've got a nice contribution of a grosses messer, a discovery found in the soil of Bavaria (your backyard?) "Dreieck" Hauzenstein, Liebergen und Haslach near the eastern way Regensburg - Nittenau. With this knife is a belt hook with a Nuremberg mark and chape found. the belt hook is very interesting because it has a system with a spring and a plate to fix the sword. The condition has been excavated, but as single handed Messers are very rare, I'm happy with it. remains of the original wooden handle and wooden Pflockniete (rivets) are available. best from holland, Attached Images Last edited by cornelistromp; 29th July 2011 at 09:05 PM.

31st July 2011, 07:45 PM	#11
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	Hi Michael, well almost your backyard then. all the parts are found together also the chape. remarkable because in most images Messer are worn with out any sheath. also a picture of the belt hook with spring to secure the plate. The measurements are: the sword allover: 80,5 cm the blade length/width: 67,0 cm / 4,2 cm blade is single edged wit a fuller at both sides. the crossguard: 22,5 cm the ring in diameter: 7,0 cm / 4 cm best, Attached Images

24th July 2011, 11:30 PM	#3
machinist Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 93	What a glorious twohander! Running wolf and all!

26th July 2011, 07:58 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	And preserved in virtually 'untouched', heavily olive oil patinated condition as well! Best, Michael

29th July 2011, 06:26 PM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Please also see my threads http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14115 and http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht+hand+swords Best, Michael

29th July 2011, 07:05 PM	#8
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Jasper, You're right, of course; it should read 'failed to sell'. Apart from that: well, I dislike the leather on the grip but on the other hand, I wasn't there to handle it. So your knowledge on this is doubtlessly more profound than mine. Thanks, and best, Michael

30th July 2011, 03:49 PM	#10
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Jasper, Nice item you've acquired there, congratulations! Actually it was not exactly excavated in my backyard but some 40 km northwest from where I live. Of course I know that region very well as I used to study and afterwards live in Regensburg for almost 25 years. It's really well preserved, with no yellowish, aggressive salt points visible on the images. The combination with the belt hook is highly remarkable too, as well as the fact that the latter is Nuremberg marked, and left of this there seems to be another coat of arms, probably the one of Bavaria. What I would be interested to learn: could you please give us the overall length, blade length and width of blade at the quillons? Is this the original bottom mount of the sheath right near the tip of the blade? Thanks a lot for sharing, Michael