What language or script please?

Dom · 30th March 2011, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cannonmn

This is a bit of a difficult situation because I don't yet have permission to show the entire item, nor describe exactly what it is

this is a difficult situation because I don't yet have the permission to translate, if the item isn't entire show as a whole

please acknowledge this post, thanks

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11201

best regards

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Dom

cannonmn · 30th March 2011, 01:13 AM

Dom thanks for taking the time to reply. He won't return for about two weeks and has no computer where he is, so for that particular weapon we would have to wait, with no certainty of a positive reply at the end.

I spent a few minutes trying to find a way to post an image, and let's see if this way works: I have a photo of a weapon which is identical in every possible way except for the markings. If you would accept an image of the twin, I could post an image of it as the restrictions I am under with images of his weapon do not apply.

Yes this is stupid, but unfortunately it is the only way I know how to do this.

Dom · 30th March 2011, 01:45 AM

don't mention, you are welcome

the webmaster has only the ability to agree for an exception ...
is him who fix the rules, and
I'm just a member, I have to comply with the rules, no more, sorry

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Dom

cannonmn · 30th March 2011, 02:39 AM

Here is the identical weapon, for your consideration, except as I mentioned, the markings differ, and "markedly so."

Andrew · 1st April 2011, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom

this is a difficult situation because I don't yet have the permission to translate, if the item isn't entire show as a whole

please acknowledge this post, thanks

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11201

best regards

à +

Dom

Go ahead, Dom. Jim's post was a request (suggestion), not a formal "rule".

Jim McDougall · 1st April 2011, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

Go ahead, Dom. Jim's post was a request (suggestion), not a formal "rule".

The reason I suggested that requests for translations be accompanied by photos of the entire weapon was to establish context. Often if we have an idea what type of item and what style or form it is in we can get a better idea of where to begin looking for alphabets or characters and in markings, where to search.

Dom · 1st April 2011, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

The reason I suggested that requests for translations be accompanied by photos of the entire weapon was to establish context. Often if we have an idea what type of item and what style or form it is in we can get a better idea of where to begin looking for alphabets or characters and in markings, where to search.

Thanks Andrew and Jim for the clarification
any way, I like the suggestion to present the object involved in its whole,

at least to satisfy our curiosity

and in the same time as a just reward, for a free service

anyway, Jim you touch an essential point,
translation it's easiest when we have a complet view,
associated with some focused pics
sometime, a sign will be neglected, out framed, not appearing on pic,
and prevent completely the reading for a word - a name, even a date

all the best

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Dom

Jim McDougall · 1st April 2011, 04:27 PM

Beautifully explained re: having the full image of item for translation Dom!
You really do excellent work

and your help with these translations is a monumental asset here, and I always am grateful that you are so good at adding detail and explanations.

Cannonmn, thank you for being so proactive and helpful in your queries as well. With this kind of participation as the discussion continues it genuinely intriguing to read as it develops. These topics are outside my personal field of study, but you guys make it really fun to read! Thank you.

All the best,
Jim

cannonmn · 2nd April 2011, 07:42 PM

Thanks for all of the information. I was somehow hoping the inscription (above the letter "R") would have some kind of date information in it, but apparently not.

In any case, the cannon was represented to me as having come from a particular place in Mexico. I find it very hard to believe, given the presence of Arabic characters, that it really did come from Mexico. The only small bronze cannons I've seen in the U.S. with such Arabic characters have come from either the Philippines or Indonesia. It is possible but I think very unlikely that the cannon was cast and probably used in, say, the Philippines where it got the Arabic characters, then transported all the way to Mexico where it was supposedly used at a presidio.

Dom demonstrated to me how much more legible an inverted image can be, so I've inverted the image of this inscription in case anyone wants a better look at it.

2nd April 2011, 07:42 PM	#9
cannonmn Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 161	Thanks for all of the information. I was somehow hoping the inscription (above the letter "R") would have some kind of date information in it, but apparently not. In any case, the cannon was represented to me as having come from a particular place in Mexico. I find it very hard to believe, given the presence of Arabic characters, that it really did come from Mexico. The only small bronze cannons I've seen in the U.S. with such Arabic characters have come from either the Philippines or Indonesia. It is possible but I think very unlikely that the cannon was cast and probably used in, say, the Philippines where it got the Arabic characters, then transported all the way to Mexico where it was supposedly used at a presidio. Dom demonstrated to me how much more legible an inverted image can be, so I've inverted the image of this inscription in case anyone wants a better look at it. Last edited by cannonmn; 2nd April 2011 at 08:38 PM. Reason: Add image not available at posting

30th March 2011, 01:13 AM	#2
cannonmn Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 161	Dom thanks for taking the time to reply. He won't return for about two weeks and has no computer where he is, so for that particular weapon we would have to wait, with no certainty of a positive reply at the end. I spent a few minutes trying to find a way to post an image, and let's see if this way works: I have a photo of a weapon which is identical in every possible way except for the markings. If you would accept an image of the twin, I could post an image of it as the restrictions I am under with images of his weapon do not apply. Yes this is stupid, but unfortunately it is the only way I know how to do this.

30th March 2011, 01:45 AM	#3
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	don't mention, you are welcome the webmaster has only the ability to agree for an exception ... is him who fix the rules, and I'm just a member, I have to comply with the rules, no more, sorry à + Dom

30th March 2011, 02:39 AM	#4
cannonmn Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 161	Here is the identical weapon, for your consideration, except as I mentioned, the markings differ, and "markedly so."

1st April 2011, 04:27 PM	#8
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,282	Beautifully explained re: having the full image of item for translation Dom! You really do excellent work and your help with these translations is a monumental asset here, and I always am grateful that you are so good at adding detail and explanations. Cannonmn, thank you for being so proactive and helpful in your queries as well. With this kind of participation as the discussion continues it genuinely intriguing to read as it develops. These topics are outside my personal field of study, but you guys make it really fun to read! Thank you. All the best, Jim