For discusion

drdavid · 22nd March 2011, 07:15 AM

Do you mean this area I have outlined (rather badly) Alan or just the area between the figure on the left side and the blade
Drdavid

A. G. Maisey · 22nd March 2011, 08:27 AM

Yes David that is exactly what I mean, plus the other border of the same material that is above it. Effectively we're looking at an added piece of material.

danny1976 · 23rd March 2011, 06:59 PM

So, can we think that the blade had one petut and that they put a second one
from a other blade on the other side ?

Or did the reshaped it and aded the two petuts ?

drdavid · 23rd March 2011, 08:58 PM

Hi Danny
looks like a large piece of metal has been welded in at some stage. I suspect by the shape that both petuts are later additions. They are not particularly elegantly done. The gonjo is not too convincing either, especially when you look at the relationship to the gandik. I also suspect that the blade profile has been 'adjusted' at some stage. Just my opinion though, i am a novice
drdavid

A. G. Maisey · 23rd March 2011, 10:07 PM

My feeling about this blade is as follows, and it has my usual qualifications that if I had the blade in my hand I could alter what I have said, but in this case, not by too much.

I believe that this keris started life as a big, old Tuban blade.

A piece was cut from the point end of the blade and fire welded across the sorsoran.The existing gandik would have been incorporated into this weld.

The two puthut figures were carved from the added material, the blade profile was reshaped, and the gonjo reduced to fit.

The alteration of ordinary old blades to turn them into something more attractive from a commercial point of view seems to have been a very long standing practice in Jawa. My guess is that it goes back to the early part of the 19th century.

David, for a novice your guess was pretty good.Possibly demonstrates that most medicos are skilled observers.

danny1976 · 24th March 2011, 05:36 PM

Everyone thank you for joining in the discusion !!
Ofcourse after this discusion i.m less happy with the blade

tunggulametung · 24th March 2011, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danny1976

Ofcourse after this discusion i.m less happy with the blade

Why? I hope it is not because of my comment.

22nd March 2011, 07:15 AM	#1
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 372	Do you mean this area I have outlined (rather badly) Alan or just the area between the figure on the left side and the blade Drdavid Attached Images

22nd March 2011, 08:27 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Yes David that is exactly what I mean, plus the other border of the same material that is above it. Effectively we're looking at an added piece of material.

23rd March 2011, 06:59 PM	#3
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	So, can we think that the blade had one petut and that they put a second one from a other blade on the other side ? Or did the reshaped it and aded the two petuts ?

23rd March 2011, 08:58 PM	#4
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 372	Hi Danny looks like a large piece of metal has been welded in at some stage. I suspect by the shape that both petuts are later additions. They are not particularly elegantly done. The gonjo is not too convincing either, especially when you look at the relationship to the gandik. I also suspect that the blade profile has been 'adjusted' at some stage. Just my opinion though, i am a novice drdavid

23rd March 2011, 10:07 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	My feeling about this blade is as follows, and it has my usual qualifications that if I had the blade in my hand I could alter what I have said, but in this case, not by too much. I believe that this keris started life as a big, old Tuban blade. A piece was cut from the point end of the blade and fire welded across the sorsoran.The existing gandik would have been incorporated into this weld. The two puthut figures were carved from the added material, the blade profile was reshaped, and the gonjo reduced to fit. The alteration of ordinary old blades to turn them into something more attractive from a commercial point of view seems to have been a very long standing practice in Jawa. My guess is that it goes back to the early part of the 19th century. David, for a novice your guess was pretty good.Possibly demonstrates that most medicos are skilled observers.

24th March 2011, 05:36 PM	#6
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Everyone thank you for joining in the discusion !! Ofcourse after this discusion i.m less happy with the blade