Singa barong

Jean · 29th January 2011, 09:59 AM

IMHO the blade looks Madurese and old from the rough pamor style and carved details (greneng) especially but I have some doubts about the Singa Barong even if it looks original at first glance. Although it is difficult to give a definite opinion from the (good) pictures, there seems to be a lack of continuity of the pamor lines at the Singa head for instance, the pamor lines look denser in the Singa area than on the blade itself, and the colour looks slightly different. By the way can anybody show us another old Madurese blade with an original singa?
Best regards

Sajen · 29th January 2011, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jean

IMHO the blade looks Madurese and old from the rough pamor style and carved details (greneng) especially but I have some doubts about the Singa Barong even if it looks original at first glance. Although it is difficult to give a definite opinion from the (good) pictures, there seems to be a lack of continuity of the pamor lines at the Singa head for instance, the pamor lines look denser in the Singa area than on the blade itself, and the colour looks slightly different. By the way can anybody show us another old Madurese blade with an original singa?
Best regards

Hello Jean,

thank you for your comment. When you read the post #27 in the other thread from Alan G. Maisey you will see that he have said nearly the same. It is nearly impossible to give a 100% statement about my question. I have looked many times with a magnifer to this blade and I am still unsure but I don't have the knowledge like Alan. I will post later two other blades with a singa. By one I am sure that the singa is a later addition and this is good to seen, the other one is a recent blade (madurese), maybe this will be from some help.

Best regards,

Detlef

Gustav · 29th January 2011, 12:03 PM

Now I am almost sure the sogokan (and blumbangan) are cut later, together with singa: you see, the edges of sogokan are still pretty sharp. That's why the layers on the back of singa are continuing. Yet upper layers (which are not part of the blade thickness) are of other colour, as Jean mentioned.

Sajen · 29th January 2011, 12:53 PM

Here at first the pictures of the recent Madura blade with singa.

Sajen · 29th January 2011, 01:00 PM

And here the old blade with later added singa what is clearly to seen.

Sajen · 12th February 2011, 03:29 PM

Thank you for all comments!

It will be like Alan G. Maisey write in a other thread: "In this world, we mostly get what we pay for."

29th January 2011, 12:53 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,212	Here at first the pictures of the recent Madura blade with singa. Attached Images

29th January 2011, 01:00 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,212	And here the old blade with later added singa what is clearly to seen. Attached Images

29th January 2011, 09:59 AM	#1
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	IMHO the blade looks Madurese and old from the rough pamor style and carved details (greneng) especially but I have some doubts about the Singa Barong even if it looks original at first glance. Although it is difficult to give a definite opinion from the (good) pictures, there seems to be a lack of continuity of the pamor lines at the Singa head for instance, the pamor lines look denser in the Singa area than on the blade itself, and the colour looks slightly different. By the way can anybody show us another old Madurese blade with an original singa? Best regards

29th January 2011, 12:03 PM	#3
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,280	Now I am almost sure the sogokan (and blumbangan) are cut later, together with singa: you see, the edges of sogokan are still pretty sharp. That's why the layers on the back of singa are continuing. Yet upper layers (which are not part of the blade thickness) are of other colour, as Jean mentioned.

12th February 2011, 03:29 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,212	Thank you for all comments! It will be like Alan G. Maisey write in a other thread: "In this world, we mostly get what we pay for."