Can someone help me identifying 2 Jezail rifles

ikzelf · 28th January 2011, 12:05 PM

Hello, guys, About a month ago, I bought two rifles from an old guy, from Gent(Belgium).
They have a lot of characteristics of jezail guns, but the stocks are not like the normal stocks for a Jezail or any other rifle from that area.

The locks work, there are a lot of silver decorations, and the inlay is bone,
I think, the coloring is to dark to be ivory(Again I think)

If any of You guys have info on these guns, please let me know.
Greetz,

John.

Sajen · 28th January 2011, 12:23 PM

Hello John,

first I have to say that I know nearly nothing about jezails. But your pieces look beautiful.

What I can add is that the inlays look from the pictures like bone and my guess is that it is Camel bone, this would fit with the origin of your guns.

Regards,

Detlef

ikzelf · 28th January 2011, 05:53 PM

Yes, I was thinking the same.
The man I bought them from had bought them in marakech.
But he was very old, and I had problems with understanding him.
He was from Belgium, and I am from The Netherlands,and He was speaking Dutch, but in a strange way.

In the post, My first Jezail, I put some foto's, from when I just bought the guns.
I already cleaned the locks, and gave the silver a little rubb.
And now they look real fine.

It pleases me to know, that you like them, I was also attracted to them from the moment I saw them.

Grz,

John.

kahnjar1 · 28th January 2011, 08:42 PM

Hello John,
A truely nice pair of guns.

I have searched thru several books I have on the subject, and can find nothing like the stock shape of these. Are there any marks on the barrels anywhere? Might give a pointer to the origin.
Regards Stuart

TVV · 28th January 2011, 10:49 PM

The style of the barrel bands and the extensive use of bone makes me think this was North African work.

Regards,
Teodor

ikzelf · 29th January 2011, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kahnjar1

Hello John,
A truely nice pair of guns.

I have searched thru several books I have on the subject, and can find nothing like the stock shape of these. Are there any marks on the barrels anywhere? Might give a pointer to the origin.
Regards Stuart

I agree, I don't have much books on Guns like these, and the books I have
don't mention anything like these.
And like I said the stocks puzzele me.
To answer your question about the marks, I could not find one.
And the locks I can't take them or the barrels out.
The only markings on the barrels, I took some pictures of them, and will post them.

Greetz,
John.

Battara · 29th January 2011, 04:37 AM

I agree with TVV, looking more like North African work.

What an amazing pair - never seen anything like these before - beautiful!

kahnjar1 · 29th January 2011, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

I agree with TVV, looking more like North African work.

What an amazing pair - never seen anything like these before - beautiful!

I also think North African, BUT..........nothing like any stock style typical of the area........

Battara · 30th January 2011, 05:28 AM

Oh I agree with you Khanjar1. At first I would have thought Moroccan, but the stock style doesn't typically fit.......

kahnjar1 · 30th January 2011, 07:29 AM

Unfortunately the "marks" are not clear enough to identify, but that slot is a dovetail for an iron sight of some sort. The hole??? could be a crude way to deactivate the barrel

. IF you have any ideas of firing these, get that hole checked out first!!
Stuart

28th January 2011, 12:05 PM	#1
ikzelf Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 5	Can someone help me identifying 2 Jezail rifles Hello, guys, About a month ago, I bought two rifles from an old guy, from Gent(Belgium). They have a lot of characteristics of jezail guns, but the stocks are not like the normal stocks for a Jezail or any other rifle from that area. The locks work, there are a lot of silver decorations, and the inlay is bone, I think, the coloring is to dark to be ivory(Again I think) If any of You guys have info on these guns, please let me know. Greetz, John. Attached Images

28th January 2011, 12:23 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,786	Hello John, first I have to say that I know nearly nothing about jezails. But your pieces look beautiful. What I can add is that the inlays look from the pictures like bone and my guess is that it is Camel bone, this would fit with the origin of your guns. Regards, Detlef

28th January 2011, 05:53 PM	#3
ikzelf Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 5	Yes, I was thinking the same. The man I bought them from had bought them in marakech. But he was very old, and I had problems with understanding him. He was from Belgium, and I am from The Netherlands,and He was speaking Dutch, but in a strange way. In the post, My first Jezail, I put some foto's, from when I just bought the guns. I already cleaned the locks, and gave the silver a little rubb. And now they look real fine. It pleases me to know, that you like them, I was also attracted to them from the moment I saw them. Grz, John.

28th January 2011, 08:42 PM	#4
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,741	Hello John, A truely nice pair of guns. I have searched thru several books I have on the subject, and can find nothing like the stock shape of these. Are there any marks on the barrels anywhere? Might give a pointer to the origin. Regards Stuart

28th January 2011, 10:49 PM	#5
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,625	The style of the barrel bands and the extensive use of bone makes me think this was North African work. Regards, Teodor

29th January 2011, 04:37 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	I agree with TVV, looking more like North African work. What an amazing pair - never seen anything like these before - beautiful!

30th January 2011, 05:28 AM	#9
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	Oh I agree with you Khanjar1. At first I would have thought Moroccan, but the stock style doesn't typically fit.......

30th January 2011, 07:29 AM	#10
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,741	Unfortunately the "marks" are not clear enough to identify, but that slot is a dovetail for an iron sight of some sort. The hole??? could be a crude way to deactivate the barrel . IF you have any ideas of firing these, get that hole checked out first!! Stuart