Metal wrapped javanese hilt

Jean · 1st January 2011, 11:21 AM

I hope that Alan will be able to comment on the probable origin of this hilt?
I don't remember to have seen a similar piece in Solo or elsewhere.
Attached are the pictures of a Cirebon hilt made from silver alloy on a resin core (bought in 1995 in Jakarta, semi old I think).
Best regards and happy New Year to all!
Jean

A. G. Maisey · 3rd January 2011, 02:23 AM

I've come across a number of this style of hilt over the years, some very old, some of middle age, some quite recent. Anybody I've ever asked about them has said "North Coast Jawa".

Sajen · 3rd January 2011, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I've come across a number of this style of hilt over the years, some very old, some of middle age, some quite recent. Anybody I've ever asked about them has said "North Coast Jawa".

Thank you Alan, so it seems that Chandra is correct to appoint the origin of this hilt to Cirebon. As well the conclusion from Jean seems to confirm this.

Regards,

Detlef

David · 3rd January 2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Thank you Alan, so it seems that Chandra is correct to appoint the origin of this hilt to Cirebon. As well the conclusion from Jean seems to confirm this.

Regards,

Detlef

Detlef, i might be mistaken, but i think that Alan might only be referring to the example that Jean has shown, not the one that you began the thread with.

Sajen · 3rd January 2011, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Detlef, i might be mistaken, but i think that Alan might only be referring to the example that Jean has shown, not the one that you began the thread with.

Now, when you write this I am unsure as well!

Maybe Alan will be so kind to rectify this.

Gustav · 4th January 2011, 12:04 AM

Alan,

Jasper/Mas Pirngadie writes, the Surakarta hilt form comes from Paisisiran (page 210 abowe: (...)terwijl de Soesoehoenan van Soerakarta de oekirran Pasisirran zou hebben aangenomen.).

Is there some truth behinde this?

A. G. Maisey · 4th January 2011, 02:15 AM

Yes, I was referring to Jean's hilt.

I have not read J&P. It is supposedly reliable, however, this hilt form shown at the beginning of this thread is definitely a Central Jawa form, very probably Surakarta.

It appears somewhat distorted on my screen and very miniscule variations in hilt forms of this general type can indicate different things.

In my experience this is most definitely a Central Javanese form, but I have no idea at all where it might have been made.

1st January 2011, 11:21 AM	#1
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	I hope that Alan will be able to comment on the probable origin of this hilt? I don't remember to have seen a similar piece in Solo or elsewhere. Attached are the pictures of a Cirebon hilt made from silver alloy on a resin core (bought in 1995 in Jakarta, semi old I think). Best regards and happy New Year to all! Jean Attached Images

3rd January 2011, 02:23 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	I've come across a number of this style of hilt over the years, some very old, some of middle age, some quite recent. Anybody I've ever asked about them has said "North Coast Jawa".

4th January 2011, 12:04 AM	#6
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,280	Alan, Jasper/Mas Pirngadie writes, the Surakarta hilt form comes from Paisisiran (page 210 abowe: (...)terwijl de Soesoehoenan van Soerakarta de oekirran Pasisirran zou hebben aangenomen.). Is there some truth behinde this?

4th January 2011, 02:15 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Yes, I was referring to Jean's hilt. I have not read J&P. It is supposedly reliable, however, this hilt form shown at the beginning of this thread is definitely a Central Jawa form, very probably Surakarta. It appears somewhat distorted on my screen and very miniscule variations in hilt forms of this general type can indicate different things. In my experience this is most definitely a Central Javanese form, but I have no idea at all where it might have been made.