Labels, true or just heaps of bull****

[David]

Sorry to still be so doubtful, but doesn't the paint on that second example look just a little bit too fresh to be authentic...

[fearn]

David, if a Lakota craftsman made it on the Rez back not so very long ago, is it genuine or not? I haven't seen anyone suggesting that it's definitely antique.

That's as opposed to me making said stick out of local ingredients, seeing as I'm white and not in South Dakota. Any Lakota club I made would definitely be fake.

Best,

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[Tim Simmons]

I just say this then I will shut up.

I have looked at the paint and other parts through the magnifing optics on our Puk welding kit, which most be at least x20. The paint, is not of any kind I am used to, sadly I have no idea how to discribe it.
There is a chance that they were collected, not as old. at the turn of the 19th cent and have been stored in boxes? or even under glass for decades? So the paint would look fresh. What about all those mint fresh Asian arms we were shown from the Wallace collection?

[David]

Originally Posted by fearn

David, if a Lakota craftsman made it on the Rez back not so very long ago, is it genuine or not? I haven't seen anyone suggesting that it's definitely antique.
That's as opposed to me making said stick out of local ingredients, seeing as I'm white and not in South Dakota. Any Lakota club I made would definitely be fake.

Sorry Fearn, but i was working under the assumption that Tim was hoping these were antique clubs, not something fresh off the "rez".
I also have not seen any examples of authenticated work that looks anything like this so i a hoping someone finds some images that might verify this for Tim.
I still think this binding work looks pretty sloppy compared to the Native clubs i have seen. That goes for the paint job as well. But i guess not every Native American was a master craftsman. Would love to see anything that can verify this one way or another.

[Nagawarrior]

The label on this Mandaya sword I believe is honest and helps date the item. I traced the name on it to a Kentucky politician that apparently liked to travel at the turn of the last century.





See thread discussing the sword here.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11397

[David]

Originally Posted by Nagawarrior

The label on this Mandaya sword I believe is honest and helps date the item. I traced the name on it to a Kentucky politician that apparently liked to travel at the turn of the last century.





See thread discussing the sword here.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11397

Yes, it does look like a nice old label and you are fortunate that the name is of a prominent politician that was easily traceable. The label of "Indian Natives" is a bit misleading though.

[Nagawarrior]

Originally Posted by David

Yes, it does look like a nice old label and you are fortunate that the name is of a prominent politician that was easily traceable. The label of "Indian Natives" is a bit misleading though.

I think that people back in the day refered to aboriginal peoples from tribal cultures as "indian natives". The North American Tribal people were given the misnomer of "Indian". I believe the explorers thought they had found India.

[David]

Originally Posted by Nagawarrior

I think that people back in the day refered to aboriginal peoples from tribal cultures as "indian natives". The North American Tribal people were given the misnomer of "Indian". I believe the explorers thought they had found India.

Yes, i believe that is why i stated it was misleading...