Ethnographic Leather Cannon with photos.!!!

Rather · 23rd June 2005, 10:24 AM

It seems that leather canons were widely used by the Swedish Army during the war 1618 – 1648.
A Biography of Gustav Adolf mentions the following (rough translation by me)

“Instead of the common heavy cannons, where 16, 20 or even 30 horses were necessary for transport, he (Gustav Adolf) used light artillery, the so called leather cannon, which among other advantages had a high firing speed. Whereas Tilly never managed to make use of more than 30 canons, Gustav Adolf made at Breitenfeld* use of about 100, later even of more. These light cannons were assigned to cavalry as well as to infantry and increased the combat strength of these formations considerably.”

*Breitenfeld, a small village in Germany, near Leipzig. 1631 there was a battle between Tilly (40.000 soldiers) against Gustav Adolf (47.000 soldiers). It was the first battle, where Tilly was defeated and he lost 26 cannons, 12.000 men and his whole baggage. The German Protestantism was saved.

The German Historic Museum in Berlin www.dhm.de owns 2 cannons from Sweden, described as follows (sorry, could not get hold of a photo)

1)
1 ½ pounder Leather Cannon
dating: between 1620 and 1650
country of origin: Sweden
dimensions: total lengths: 202 cm, bore 6
material/technic: Copper, iron, hemp, leather

2)
1 pounder Leather Cannon
dating: between 1620 and 1650
dimensions: total lengths: 196 cm, bore 5,4
material/technic: Copper, iron, hemp, leather

This might give at least an impression about the dimensions…

spiral · 26th June 2005, 09:48 PM

Thats cool Rather, Thanks.

Ok as a few of you like cannons & stuff , heres a meaty looking mortar from Katmando museam as well!

Any one know anything about this strange beast, I ve never seen a carriage like that, not that that means anything!

Id guess it still qualifies as ethnographic?

Spiral

Rick · 26th June 2005, 10:32 PM

That looks like a copy of a European Mortar .
Strange there seem to be no wheels ; maybe a fortification piece , but usually these were used against fortifications .
That took a very large ball or bomb !!

Here's a link to a very interesting Indian Mortar .

http://www.firepower.org.uk/gallerie...ry_gallery.cfm

spiral · 26th June 2005, 11:23 PM

Ilike the Tiger mortar Rick! Cheers!

I think the Nepali mortar had little wheels underneth it within the mount!

I think the balls/bombs were at least a foot in diameter!

Spiral

23rd June 2005, 10:24 AM	#1
Rather Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 72	It seems that leather canons were widely used by the Swedish Army during the war 1618 – 1648. A Biography of Gustav Adolf mentions the following (rough translation by me) “Instead of the common heavy cannons, where 16, 20 or even 30 horses were necessary for transport, he (Gustav Adolf) used light artillery, the so called leather cannon, which among other advantages had a high firing speed. Whereas Tilly never managed to make use of more than 30 canons, Gustav Adolf made at Breitenfeld* use of about 100, later even of more. These light cannons were assigned to cavalry as well as to infantry and increased the combat strength of these formations considerably.” *Breitenfeld, a small village in Germany, near Leipzig. 1631 there was a battle between Tilly (40.000 soldiers) against Gustav Adolf (47.000 soldiers). It was the first battle, where Tilly was defeated and he lost 26 cannons, 12.000 men and his whole baggage. The German Protestantism was saved. The German Historic Museum in Berlin www.dhm.de owns 2 cannons from Sweden, described as follows (sorry, could not get hold of a photo) 1) 1 ½ pounder Leather Cannon dating: between 1620 and 1650 country of origin: Sweden dimensions: total lengths: 202 cm, bore 6 material/technic: Copper, iron, hemp, leather 2) 1 pounder Leather Cannon dating: between 1620 and 1650 dimensions: total lengths: 196 cm, bore 5,4 material/technic: Copper, iron, hemp, leather This might give at least an impression about the dimensions… Attached Images

26th June 2005, 09:48 PM	#2
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Thats cool Rather, Thanks. Ok as a few of you like cannons & stuff , heres a meaty looking mortar from Katmando museam as well! Any one know anything about this strange beast, I ve never seen a carriage like that, not that that means anything! Id guess it still qualifies as ethnographic? Spiral Attached Images

26th June 2005, 10:32 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	That looks like a copy of a European Mortar . Strange there seem to be no wheels ; maybe a fortification piece , but usually these were used against fortifications . That took a very large ball or bomb !! Here's a link to a very interesting Indian Mortar . http://www.firepower.org.uk/gallerie...ry_gallery.cfm

26th June 2005, 11:23 PM	#4
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Ilike the Tiger mortar Rick! Cheers! I think the Nepali mortar had little wheels underneth it within the mount! I think the balls/bombs were at least a foot in diameter! Spiral