New sword, Bosnia?

TVV · 12th December 2010, 09:30 PM

The dot in circle decoration from what I have read is supposed to signify heaven, with the little dot in the center symbolizing Allah's central position in the universe. As a result, it is not surprisingly very wide spread and typical of many areas, making attribution based solely on this symbol hard.

I am attaching a picture of some Bosnian knives, where you can clearly see similar decoration on the hilt of the second knife from the left. My guess therefore would be Western Balkans.

Regards,
Teodor

Battara · 13th December 2010, 07:05 PM

That is very helpful TVV. Did not know that about the dot and circle. I have seen these on Balkan arms as well, but not lumped together in this type of configuration except on Afgani/north central Asian pieces.

What you said does make sense of the use of some form of dot and circle motif all over the Islamic world.

Nagawarrior · 13th December 2010, 11:50 PM

Thank you for all your comments. I really appreciate your input. I've searched all over the internet and haven't found another sword exactly like mine. The Bosnian pieces are the closest. Unless other evidence surfaces I'll keep with the Balkan origin.

Rumpel · 24th December 2010, 07:18 PM

A kurban noz?

Nagawarrior · 25th December 2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rumpel

A kurban noz?

Do tell. Googled this and nothing came up except a reference to animal sacrifice.

Rumpel · 7th January 2011, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Nagawarrior

Do tell. Googled this and nothing came up except a reference to animal sacrifice.

Sorry, only just saw this. In Elgood's latest he discusses (without illustrating) the Bosnian kurban noz- a decorative-yet-functional butcher's knife used for slitting a sheep's throat for Eid.

A highly speculative suggestion on my part, but I thought it worth a punt.

Nagawarrior · 8th January 2011, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rumpel

Sorry, only just saw this. In Elgood's latest he discusses (without illustrating) the Bosnian kurban noz- a decorative-yet-functional butcher's knife used for slitting a sheep's throat for Eid.

A highly speculative suggestion on my part, but I thought it worth a punt.

You talking about; The Arms of Greece and Her Balkan Neighbors in the Ottoman Period by Elgood? A very affordable book. Is it a good one? This piece looks like it might just be used for this function.
Thank you,

Stephen*

12th December 2010, 09:30 PM	#1
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,664	The dot in circle decoration from what I have read is supposed to signify heaven, with the little dot in the center symbolizing Allah's central position in the universe. As a result, it is not surprisingly very wide spread and typical of many areas, making attribution based solely on this symbol hard. I am attaching a picture of some Bosnian knives, where you can clearly see similar decoration on the hilt of the second knife from the left. My guess therefore would be Western Balkans. Regards, Teodor Attached Images

13th December 2010, 07:05 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	That is very helpful TVV. Did not know that about the dot and circle. I have seen these on Balkan arms as well, but not lumped together in this type of configuration except on Afgani/north central Asian pieces. What you said does make sense of the use of some form of dot and circle motif all over the Islamic world.

13th December 2010, 11:50 PM	#3
Nagawarrior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Inland Empire, Southern California USA Posts: 160	Thank you for all your comments. I really appreciate your input. I've searched all over the internet and haven't found another sword exactly like mine. The Bosnian pieces are the closest. Unless other evidence surfaces I'll keep with the Balkan origin.

24th December 2010, 07:18 PM	#4
Rumpel Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 63	A kurban noz?