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9th December 2010, 02:43 PM
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It's a truly fantastic piece, Fernando. Thanks for sharing it.
I join the growing ranks of the envious... 
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9th December 2010, 05:16 PM
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9th December 2010, 05:35 PM
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Hablen en cristiano!
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9th December 2010, 06:50 PM
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10th December 2010, 12:34 PM
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Well, ready your weapons, Sir! Fernando, pass me that rapier! I have to... er... defend my honour! Now the question is... can I run away with it faster than a harquebut bullet? * Just because this is kind of an inside (one could even say "ethnographic", now that I think about it ) joke, and need some knowledge of a certain cultural framework to be truly understood, I prefer to err on the caution side and say this: although what I just wrote is nothing but true, Im just joking. Theres nothing but animus iocandi at play, here.
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10th December 2010, 05:18 PM
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Guys, Im really not a scrooge so I hope I can add some comments about the sword without breaking the Christmas spirit
no groans OK?Im too lazy to try to excavate the Norman book here in the bus, and you already have it Nando, but I did find some interesting help in Wagner regarding the pommel, which seems to intrigue me the most on this fantastic rapier. The fact that it is clearly marked for Gonzalo Simon c. 1617 in Toledo of course pretty much rests the case for the sword, but you were trying to type the pommel. These type of pommels in thier basic shape were apparantly well known in Italy around the end of the 16th century, and seem to have influenced makers such as the Aiala's of Barcelona and Toledo (I believe Luis was son of Tomas and lived around 1566-1620, but Wagners wording is unclear p.173). In any case they adopted the words JESUS MARIA , which was commonly used by Milanese armourers. The reason I note that is that the faceted or grooved effect seems to have been in place with thier sword pommels around the early 17th century, and some German pommels of this time used the effect as well. Germany and Italy were key centers in arms fashion in these times, and were in many cases it seems pace setters in designs, particularly Italy it seems. The interesting marking at the fuller terminus is of course the 'anchor' which is a device strongly favored in Spain in this application. It's symbolism is of course Christian in representation of the cross, and seems to have developed into a kind of 'sigil' in various instances with varying number of patibulum, and systems of punched lozenges among them. It seems this one corresponds in some ways with some attributed I believe to Perez, but cannot find my notes. OK, enough of my drollery, I just wanted to add those notes to see if they might apply (your comments plz Marc) ....so pass me an eggnog and back to the frivolity !! But no duelling you guys......I have no idea what the words you guys are talking about mean in context, but be careful.All the best guys and Happy Holidays!!!! J. ***NNR**** Last edited by Jim McDougall; 11th December 2010 at 01:16 AM. |
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12th December 2010, 02:31 PM
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 .If you were closer, i would send you one of these "rabanadas" that my mum used to do and handed over the secret to my wife  .One thing is sure; i wouldn't submit one of those to a "taste test" between Catalunians and Puerto Ricans; then you would see what a duel is about .Apart from that, no quarrels in my threads ... definitely  I love you guys .. Last edited by fernando; 13th December 2010 at 05:58 PM. |
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13th December 2010, 05:51 PM
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Beautifully said Nando!! and back atcha!!!
What the heck is a rabanada???? and no clue what a dwell is. Actually I'd be afraid to think what cowboys out here would put into an egg nog if they ever had such a thing Whatever it would be most likely would have an octane rating though. All the best, Jim |
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