can you please ID

terry1956 · 15th November 2010, 10:18 AM

Thanks chaps, I know these are common items, but look nice on the wall, my thinking was that the more expensive one with the better blade and quillon terminal may of been for an NCO or elite companies within the battalion.
michael

laEspadaAncha · 15th November 2010, 09:33 PM

I have often wondered about the use of nuanced stylistic differences in dating and/or attributing these to a given nation... As I understand it, the "acorn" quillon terminals usually denotes an earlier example, though I wouldn't consider the one you show above to be an acorn terminal.

Note the difference in the treatment of the ribs and backstrap in the casting of the two hilts you show. I have one similar to the top one in your photo. Like yours, mine also appears to be pinned with brass/bronze/coper through the grip.

I wish someone would conduct a formal study on these - they were produced for well over a hundred years by so many countries that identifying each and every variant is seemingly impossible...

terry1956 · 17th November 2010, 03:06 PM

Hi, thanks again for all the replies. I know that these weapons turn up at auction all the time. The auction I got these from had no less then 8 two of which just had to be reproductions, ie looked like new and all dated the same year and complete. At the time I was looking for a lee enfield rifle mk4 like my late father would of used during ww2. But like most of us i found myself bidding and winning the two briguets for less then a fish and chip lot the pair. they look nice on the wall but it would be nice if there just was more information on these things, even if it was to cut down on the endless flow of rubbish reproductions turning up at each auction i go to.
michael

fernando · 17th November 2010, 05:43 PM

Don't think these two are reproductions, Michael

15th November 2010, 10:18 AM	#1
terry1956 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: yeovil, somerset, uk Posts: 75	in answer Thanks chaps, I know these are common items, but look nice on the wall, my thinking was that the more expensive one with the better blade and quillon terminal may of been for an NCO or elite companies within the battalion. michael

17th November 2010, 03:06 PM	#3
terry1956 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: yeovil, somerset, uk Posts: 75	in answer Hi, thanks again for all the replies. I know that these weapons turn up at auction all the time. The auction I got these from had no less then 8 two of which just had to be reproductions, ie looked like new and all dated the same year and complete. At the time I was looking for a lee enfield rifle mk4 like my late father would of used during ww2. But like most of us i found myself bidding and winning the two briguets for less then a fish and chip lot the pair. they look nice on the wall but it would be nice if there just was more information on these things, even if it was to cut down on the endless flow of rubbish reproductions turning up at each auction i go to. michael

15th November 2010, 09:33 PM	#2
laEspadaAncha Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 608	I have often wondered about the use of nuanced stylistic differences in dating and/or attributing these to a given nation... As I understand it, the "acorn" quillon terminals usually denotes an earlier example, though I wouldn't consider the one you show above to be an acorn terminal. Note the difference in the treatment of the ribs and backstrap in the casting of the two hilts you show. I have one similar to the top one in your photo. Like yours, mine also appears to be pinned with brass/bronze/coper through the grip. I wish someone would conduct a formal study on these - they were produced for well over a hundred years by so many countries that identifying each and every variant is seemingly impossible...

17th November 2010, 05:43 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Don't think these two are reproductions, Michael