Georgian made Russian saber of Polish provenance

Perkun · 20th June 2005, 06:09 PM

Hi Ariel,
The name seems to be "S. Neishvili" if I read it correctly, a Georgian name and since a gurda mark with strings of dots is typical for Georgian manufactured blades it made me think of Georgian production.
Any record if such a maker?
I have nor encountered a similar example yet but I assume production of private contract blades for well to do Russian officers must have been commonplace and a large part of the economy of the day.

ariel · 20th June 2005, 06:33 PM

I cannot see the "-i" at the end at all. And in general the variant you propose sounds very strange for a Georgian name. Rivkin may know more about it. I'll look in my sources for that or similar name.
Your K. Zakrzewski might have served there before 1830 at which time there were no official Georgian sword shops. Unlikely for him to be an officer (based on the saber) in the Russian Army after participation in the Polish uprising. Another "KZ"?
What about the inscription on the other side?
The monogram ?

Perkun · 20th June 2005, 07:06 PM

Ariel,
The "i" is there, just not very visible on the photos. I can't read the other side :-(
Zakrzewski was not the original owner of this saber. I think it was a captured or purchased by him. He was not a career officer, he was a university student before the uprising.
The initials on the blade belong to the original owner of the blade.

ariel · 20th June 2005, 11:22 PM

Neither Kulinski's nor Astvatsaturyan's book mention Naishvili.

Perkun · 21st June 2005, 06:13 AM

Ariel,
Thank you very much for checking the sources.
By the way, the other side reads "NAYIENO" if I spelled it correctly. Any ideas what it stands for?

ariel · 22nd June 2005, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perkun

Ariel,
Thank you very much for checking the sources.
By the way, the other side reads "NAYIENO" if I spelled it correctly. Any ideas what it stands for?

Beats me....

Rivkin · 22nd June 2005, 12:55 AM

Would it be possible for us to see higher resolution photos ? It's very hard to judge, using low contrast, low res photos like these.

20th June 2005, 06:09 PM	#1
Perkun Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 45	Hi Ariel, The name seems to be "S. Neishvili" if I read it correctly, a Georgian name and since a gurda mark with strings of dots is typical for Georgian manufactured blades it made me think of Georgian production. Any record if such a maker? I have nor encountered a similar example yet but I assume production of private contract blades for well to do Russian officers must have been commonplace and a large part of the economy of the day.

20th June 2005, 06:33 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I cannot see the "-i" at the end at all. And in general the variant you propose sounds very strange for a Georgian name. Rivkin may know more about it. I'll look in my sources for that or similar name. Your K. Zakrzewski might have served there before 1830 at which time there were no official Georgian sword shops. Unlikely for him to be an officer (based on the saber) in the Russian Army after participation in the Polish uprising. Another "KZ"? What about the inscription on the other side? The monogram ?

20th June 2005, 07:06 PM	#3
Perkun Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 45	Ariel, The "i" is there, just not very visible on the photos. I can't read the other side :-( Zakrzewski was not the original owner of this saber. I think it was a captured or purchased by him. He was not a career officer, he was a university student before the uprising. The initials on the blade belong to the original owner of the blade.

20th June 2005, 11:22 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Neither Kulinski's nor Astvatsaturyan's book mention Naishvili.

21st June 2005, 06:13 AM	#5
Perkun Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 45	Ariel, Thank you very much for checking the sources. By the way, the other side reads "NAYIENO" if I spelled it correctly. Any ideas what it stands for?

22nd June 2005, 12:55 AM	#7
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Would it be possible for us to see higher resolution photos ? It's very hard to judge, using low contrast, low res photos like these.