Rapier for coments

Matchlock · 3rd November 2010, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cornelistromp

That exactly the right size and type of pommel is found is way too coincidental.

Best,

There are hundreds of detached original pommels in various conditions on the market every year, and almost all of them are purchased by dealers and forgers. Can you image the reason?

Best,
Michael

cornelistromp · 3rd November 2010, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock

There are hundreds of detached original pommels in various conditions on the market every year, and almost all of them are purchased by dealers and forgers. Can you image the reason?

Best,
Michael

Hi Michael,

of course I know and see a lot of replaced pommels, especially on medieval swords. recently I noticed a cast one at a London auction house which gave
some discussion just before the sale.

I must admit it is very amusing to see that you changed your mind on this pommel from an inapt English ground find to "maybe" belonging to this piece

Kind regards from Holland

Matchlock · 3rd November 2010, 11:00 PM

Hi Cornelis,

Please remember we all had to rely on photos, and almost anything is possible ...

Though I usually have a well based opinion at the point of posting, I try not to be too dogmatic.

Good night and be well,
Michael

fernando · 5th November 2010, 10:48 AM

New pictures.
This time in my back veranda, with daylight, before the sun hits the place.

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Matchlock · 5th November 2010, 03:34 PM

Thank you, 'Nando,

Now it's clear even to me that the pitting of the pommel and blade is homogenuous.

Please bury my theories at Wounded Knee ...

Best,
Michl

werecow · 31st May 2022, 02:41 AM

I thought I'd add two similar ones I ran into recently. This first one is listed on a German site as "Rapier, deutsch um 1600". The inscription is hard to read but according to the seller it's "MERTEN STOS ME FECIT", which sounds German. The quillons are slightly different, maybe a slightly wider blade, different grip wire, wider pommel. Otherwise identical.

werecow · 31st May 2022, 02:43 AM

This second one is listed as "ENGLISH DUELING RAPIER C.1625". No thrust plate on this one, but the pommel is more similar. Marked "THOMAS D AIELES".

3rd November 2010, 11:00 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Cornelis, Please remember we all had to rely on photos, and almost anything is possible ... Though I usually have a well based opinion at the point of posting, I try not to be too dogmatic. Good night and be well, Michael Last edited by Matchlock; 4th November 2010 at 10:51 PM.

5th November 2010, 10:48 AM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	New pictures. This time in my back veranda, with daylight, before the sun hits the place. . Attached Images

31st May 2022, 02:41 AM	#6
werecow Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Leiden, NL Posts: 553	I thought I'd add two similar ones I ran into recently. This first one is listed on a German site as "Rapier, deutsch um 1600". The inscription is hard to read but according to the seller it's "MERTEN STOS ME FECIT", which sounds German. The quillons are slightly different, maybe a slightly wider blade, different grip wire, wider pommel. Otherwise identical. Attached Images Last edited by werecow; 31st May 2022 at 01:41 PM.

31st May 2022, 02:43 AM	#7
werecow Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Leiden, NL Posts: 553	This second one is listed as "ENGLISH DUELING RAPIER C.1625". No thrust plate on this one, but the pommel is more similar. Marked "THOMAS D AIELES". Attached Images Last edited by werecow; 31st May 2022 at 01:43 PM.

5th November 2010, 03:34 PM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Thank you, 'Nando, Now it's clear even to me that the pitting of the pommel and blade is homogenuous. Please bury my theories at Wounded Knee ... Best, Michl