Rapier for coments

cornelistromp · 2nd November 2010, 07:00 PM

Hi Fernando,

you are welcome.
The Meigen rapier is still in my possession, it has never been separated and has a absolute "sleeper" mint condition and the original grip.
The other rapier is from a trader/collector I know, at the moment I am not into "the rapier" anymore, well I still love to see and handle them but concentrate on earlier swords now, the rusty ones.
The shape of quillons is a matter of personal taste and of course of the type of the fighting school and personal fighting skills.
In Holland the long straight guillons were very popular in the 17thC, actually your type was also very popular in Holland in the first 30 years of the 17thC.
I have seen this sword on some schutter-painting,if I remember where I will post it.

CF. the late 16thC German Rapier with guillons like yours in the plan of the blade for catching/holding your opponents rapier!

best,

fernando · 2nd November 2010, 07:31 PM

Thanks once more, Cornelis, for the new precious info

Quote:

Originally Posted by cornelistromp

... I have seen this sword on some schutter-painting,if I remember where I will post it....

Yes, please do; i would love to see it and save it together with my example pictures and data.

Met vriendelijke groeten

Dmitry · 2nd November 2010, 10:28 PM

I told you it was singing to me!

fernando · 2nd November 2010, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dmitry

I told you it was singing to me!

Jim McDougall · 3rd November 2010, 01:10 AM

Well it sounded like a good possibility.

Matchlock · 3rd November 2010, 03:16 AM

It definitely does, Cornelis and Jim,

The fact remains though that the pommel is in excavated condition and could never have originally belonged.

Best,
m

cornelistromp · 3rd November 2010, 11:41 AM

That exactly the right size and type of pommel is found is way too coincidental.
no, my vote goes to ORIGINAL.
the color of the metal and the pitting is consistent with other parts of this rapier.
Because mostly the pommel is touched over the time by hands here one sees more severe pitting.

Best,

2nd November 2010, 07:00 PM	#1
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	Hi Fernando, you are welcome. The Meigen rapier is still in my possession, it has never been separated and has a absolute "sleeper" mint condition and the original grip. The other rapier is from a trader/collector I know, at the moment I am not into "the rapier" anymore, well I still love to see and handle them but concentrate on earlier swords now, the rusty ones. The shape of quillons is a matter of personal taste and of course of the type of the fighting school and personal fighting skills. In Holland the long straight guillons were very popular in the 17thC, actually your type was also very popular in Holland in the first 30 years of the 17thC. I have seen this sword on some schutter-painting,if I remember where I will post it. CF. the late 16thC German Rapier with guillons like yours in the plan of the blade for catching/holding your opponents rapier! best, Attached Images Last edited by cornelistromp; 2nd November 2010 at 07:30 PM.

3rd November 2010, 03:16 AM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	It definitely does, Cornelis and Jim, The fact remains though that the pommel is in excavated condition and could never have originally belonged. Best, m Last edited by Matchlock; 3rd November 2010 at 05:49 PM.

3rd November 2010, 11:41 AM	#7
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	That exactly the right size and type of pommel is found is way too coincidental. no, my vote goes to ORIGINAL. the color of the metal and the pitting is consistent with other parts of this rapier. Because mostly the pommel is touched over the time by hands here one sees more severe pitting. Best, Attached Images

2nd November 2010, 10:28 PM	#3
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	I told you it was singing to me!

3rd November 2010, 01:10 AM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,192	Well it sounded like a good possibility.