New Moro kris

David · 9th October 2010, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maurice

What puzzles me a bit is the strange place of the clamp.
Is it loose and has it a tolerance, because it is situated so in the middle under the handle?

I agree that this is a simple, but handsome blade. But it also seems obvious to me that this is not the original hilt and if you look closely at the photos you can see where the original clamp was situated.
Perhaps it's just old age, but i have become very wary about lots of Moro dress, even when it looks old. So i wonder if this hilt isn't a more recent creation than the rest of the ensemble. It certainly doesn't seem to have experienced the same wear as the blade and sheath.

Sajen · 9th October 2010, 10:04 PM

I have had a look to my pictures of Moro kris with the same style of "sampir" (cross-piece) and all have had a straight and flat end at the gandar.
So maybe there have been a end cap from wood or horn.

Henk · 10th October 2010, 07:04 AM

Gentlemen,

Thank you for your comments.
The clamp is tight on the blade and has no tolerance. I already looked if i could remove the hilt with the clamp to clean the blade entirely.
The hilt and the clamp are attached to the blade where the hilt is filled with something i cann't define. But the filling is old and certainly not recently done.

David, If you mean that the clamp should be situated more to the right of the blade, i can see that there is room to place the clamp. But i don't see spurs of a previous clamp on the blade which is very good visible on other krisses where the clamp was replaced.

Maurice, as i mentioned above the clamp is tight on the blade. And yes mostly the clamp is next to the hilt. But i'm not an expert on these moro krisses. I bought it from some blurry pics for a good price and was pleasantly surprised when i opened the box when it arrived.

Battara · 10th October 2010, 06:13 PM

I have seen clamps like this on several Moro kris. Not unheard of.

Rick · 10th October 2010, 07:29 PM

When the clamp is placed this way the strap that holds it usually runs up inside the handle, snug to the tang .

I've seen this before also .

kai · 10th October 2010, 07:50 PM

Hello Jose and Rick,

Yes, I've also seen weird clamp positions but in situations like this I often wasn't convinced that this really was the original configuration rather than a later replacement or, at best, field repair. Could you please share pics of examples?

Regards,
Kai

kai · 10th October 2010, 07:55 PM

Congrats, Henk - certainly an interesting Moro kris!

How long is the blade?

Could you please post a pic of the gangya area taken from directly above?

Have you tested the parts for being true silver? (There seems to be some variation in color and while the twisted wire does look like it could well be silver, I'm less convinced regarding the engraved rings, for example...)

Regards,
Kai

Rick · 15th October 2010, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Hello Jose and Rick,

Yes, I've also seen weird clamp positions but in situations like this I often wasn't convinced that this really was the original configuration rather than a later replacement or, at best, field repair. Could you please share pics of examples?

Regards,
Kai

Hello Kai,

In fact this method of clamp mounting points toward a re-hilting IMO .

Rather than pictures, just take my word on it .

Rick

10th October 2010, 07:55 PM	#7
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Congrats, Henk - certainly an interesting Moro kris! How long is the blade? Could you please post a pic of the gangya area taken from directly above? Have you tested the parts for being true silver? (There seems to be some variation in color and while the twisted wire does look like it could well be silver, I'm less convinced regarding the engraved rings, for example...) Regards, Kai Last edited by kai; 10th October 2010 at 08:26 PM. Reason: correcting addressee

9th October 2010, 10:04 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,213	I have had a look to my pictures of Moro kris with the same style of "sampir" (cross-piece) and all have had a straight and flat end at the gandar. So maybe there have been a end cap from wood or horn.

10th October 2010, 07:04 AM	#3
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Gentlemen, Thank you for your comments. The clamp is tight on the blade and has no tolerance. I already looked if i could remove the hilt with the clamp to clean the blade entirely. The hilt and the clamp are attached to the blade where the hilt is filled with something i cann't define. But the filling is old and certainly not recently done. David, If you mean that the clamp should be situated more to the right of the blade, i can see that there is room to place the clamp. But i don't see spurs of a previous clamp on the blade which is very good visible on other krisses where the clamp was replaced. Maurice, as i mentioned above the clamp is tight on the blade. And yes mostly the clamp is next to the hilt. But i'm not an expert on these moro krisses. I bought it from some blurry pics for a good price and was pleasantly surprised when i opened the box when it arrived.

10th October 2010, 06:13 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	I have seen clamps like this on several Moro kris. Not unheard of.

10th October 2010, 07:29 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	When the clamp is placed this way the strap that holds it usually runs up inside the handle, snug to the tang . I've seen this before also .

10th October 2010, 07:50 PM	#6
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Jose and Rick, Yes, I've also seen weird clamp positions but in situations like this I often wasn't convinced that this really was the original configuration rather than a later replacement or, at best, field repair. Could you please share pics of examples? Regards, Kai