New Moro kris

Battara · 9th October 2010, 03:43 AM

Looks like a Maguindanao kris, perhaps end of 19c. Nice work. The ron do have been worn off by the looks of things. Etch the blade and see what happens. Nice pice.

Nathaniel · 9th October 2010, 04:12 AM

Hmmm...that is interesting....the copper dot inlaid at the tip...is that something not uncommon among the Moro Kris? I've seen that in Burmese/Thai/Lao swords...interesting.

Battara · 9th October 2010, 06:08 PM

Some Moro kris and kampilan have a copper or silver dot or dots on the blades.

Maurice · 9th October 2010, 08:50 PM

Hello Henk,

Congrats with this beautifull kris.
It has a lot of handsome details, such as the ivory endcap, the interesting handle with the okir design in combination with the copperwire and ratan binding and also the dot in the blade is very nice.

What puzzles me a bit is the strange place of the clamp.
Is it loose and has it a tolerance, because it is situated so in the middle under the handle?
I have some images found of krisses which had the clamp also in this place, but only very few. Most of them have the clamp more "next" to the handle, instead of "under" the handle...

Maurice

David · 9th October 2010, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maurice

What puzzles me a bit is the strange place of the clamp.
Is it loose and has it a tolerance, because it is situated so in the middle under the handle?

I agree that this is a simple, but handsome blade. But it also seems obvious to me that this is not the original hilt and if you look closely at the photos you can see where the original clamp was situated.
Perhaps it's just old age, but i have become very wary about lots of Moro dress, even when it looks old. So i wonder if this hilt isn't a more recent creation than the rest of the ensemble. It certainly doesn't seem to have experienced the same wear as the blade and sheath.

Sajen · 9th October 2010, 10:04 PM

I have had a look to my pictures of Moro kris with the same style of "sampir" (cross-piece) and all have had a straight and flat end at the gandar.
So maybe there have been a end cap from wood or horn.

Henk · 10th October 2010, 07:04 AM

Gentlemen,

Thank you for your comments.
The clamp is tight on the blade and has no tolerance. I already looked if i could remove the hilt with the clamp to clean the blade entirely.
The hilt and the clamp are attached to the blade where the hilt is filled with something i cann't define. But the filling is old and certainly not recently done.

David, If you mean that the clamp should be situated more to the right of the blade, i can see that there is room to place the clamp. But i don't see spurs of a previous clamp on the blade which is very good visible on other krisses where the clamp was replaced.

Maurice, as i mentioned above the clamp is tight on the blade. And yes mostly the clamp is next to the hilt. But i'm not an expert on these moro krisses. I bought it from some blurry pics for a good price and was pleasantly surprised when i opened the box when it arrived.

Nathaniel · 9th October 2010, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Some Moro kris and kampilan have a copper or silver dot or dots on the blades.

Interesting, I wonder about the origin of the inlaid dot(s)?? You see the Chinese Jians with inlaid brass dots too.

9th October 2010, 03:43 AM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Looks like a Maguindanao kris, perhaps end of 19c. Nice work. The ron do have been worn off by the looks of things. Etch the blade and see what happens. Nice pice.

9th October 2010, 04:12 AM	#2
Nathaniel Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 865	Hmmm...that is interesting....the copper dot inlaid at the tip...is that something not uncommon among the Moro Kris? I've seen that in Burmese/Thai/Lao swords...interesting.

9th October 2010, 06:08 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Some Moro kris and kampilan have a copper or silver dot or dots on the blades.

9th October 2010, 08:50 PM	#4
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	Hello Henk, Congrats with this beautifull kris. It has a lot of handsome details, such as the ivory endcap, the interesting handle with the okir design in combination with the copperwire and ratan binding and also the dot in the blade is very nice. What puzzles me a bit is the strange place of the clamp. Is it loose and has it a tolerance, because it is situated so in the middle under the handle? I have some images found of krisses which had the clamp also in this place, but only very few. Most of them have the clamp more "next" to the handle, instead of "under" the handle... Maurice

9th October 2010, 10:04 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,213	I have had a look to my pictures of Moro kris with the same style of "sampir" (cross-piece) and all have had a straight and flat end at the gandar. So maybe there have been a end cap from wood or horn.

10th October 2010, 07:04 AM	#7
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Gentlemen, Thank you for your comments. The clamp is tight on the blade and has no tolerance. I already looked if i could remove the hilt with the clamp to clean the blade entirely. The hilt and the clamp are attached to the blade where the hilt is filled with something i cann't define. But the filling is old and certainly not recently done. David, If you mean that the clamp should be situated more to the right of the blade, i can see that there is room to place the clamp. But i don't see spurs of a previous clamp on the blade which is very good visible on other krisses where the clamp was replaced. Maurice, as i mentioned above the clamp is tight on the blade. And yes mostly the clamp is next to the hilt. But i'm not an expert on these moro krisses. I bought it from some blurry pics for a good price and was pleasantly surprised when i opened the box when it arrived.