Old File Bladed shibriya for comment

spiral · 21st September 2010, 09:46 PM

I think at least with the one made from a file we know there more likely "real" Rather than the the mild steel, place marked & dated tourist examples we so often see.

Hilt shape looks fairly common to me? at least both the ones Ive kept are that shape. Ones made from a file as well. The others silver & nielo scabbard & hilt. Ive only erver had 4 or 5 of these, the others had " single peaked" tops rather than the double peak.

I think the lanyard type ring should be on the front not the back though?

Ill do photos of mine in the morning, for you to compare.

Spiral

Atlantia · 21st September 2010, 10:58 PM

Brilliant! Cheers Spiral

spiral · 22nd September 2010, 01:25 PM

Here we go....

The brass one has a lovely & unusual almst luminescant light lime green shade to its horn grip, which the photos dont realy capture.

There interesting pieces I think?

Spiral

Atlantia · 22nd September 2010, 08:31 PM

Thanks Spiral, thats a really nice pair you have there!
I see what you mean about the lanyard ring, I'll flip that round.
Strange I've not seen these 'twin horned' ones before.
Whats the significance of the different hilt (compared with the standard touristy ones that are so common)?

These file blades are interesting, I take it they pre-date WW2 (before leaf springs and other better materials became commonplace)?

Nice to have two so different examples too, which do you prefer?

Best
Gene

spiral · 23rd September 2010, 11:33 AM

Thanks Gene!

I have no idea of the relevance of different tops. Artzi or someone else from the middle east might know?

The silver & nielo one is nice but I prefer the file one, I suspect it is older & has a more user feel to it to me.

Spiral

broadaxe · 29th September 2010, 08:49 PM

Here is my input: as spiral said, the ring is usually at front. It is not for a lanyard but rather for a small lucky charm, most popuplar was a blue glass bead on a fine chain or leather thong.
When sheet metal hilts are in concern, the scabbard is mostly made of the same material.
The "twin peak" or thumb rest pommel is not very common, but also not scarce. I would date these file blades to in between the Wold Wars.
The niello work is simple but very uncommon to this type of arm. It indicates circassian (highly improbable due to the form) and armenian (most probable) work.

Atlantia · 29th September 2010, 10:25 PM

Spiral.

I can't decide between your two! They are both really nice.

Broadaxe.

Thanks for the info

But Armenian?? I thought this shape of blade was exclusive to Jordan/Syria?
Am I about to get an education here?

Best
Gene

21st September 2010, 09:46 PM	#1
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	I think at least with the one made from a file we know there more likely "real" Rather than the the mild steel, place marked & dated tourist examples we so often see. Hilt shape looks fairly common to me? at least both the ones Ive kept are that shape. Ones made from a file as well. The others silver & nielo scabbard & hilt. Ive only erver had 4 or 5 of these, the others had " single peaked" tops rather than the double peak. I think the lanyard type ring should be on the front not the back though? Ill do photos of mine in the morning, for you to compare. Spiral

21st September 2010, 10:58 PM	#2
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Brilliant! Cheers Spiral

22nd September 2010, 01:25 PM	#3
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Here we go.... The brass one has a lovely & unusual almst luminescant light lime green shade to its horn grip, which the photos dont realy capture. There interesting pieces I think? Spiral

22nd September 2010, 08:31 PM	#4
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Thanks Spiral, thats a really nice pair you have there! I see what you mean about the lanyard ring, I'll flip that round. Strange I've not seen these 'twin horned' ones before. Whats the significance of the different hilt (compared with the standard touristy ones that are so common)? These file blades are interesting, I take it they pre-date WW2 (before leaf springs and other better materials became commonplace)? Nice to have two so different examples too, which do you prefer? Best Gene

23rd September 2010, 11:33 AM	#5
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Thanks Gene! I have no idea of the relevance of different tops. Artzi or someone else from the middle east might know? The silver & nielo one is nice but I prefer the file one, I suspect it is older & has a more user feel to it to me. Spiral

29th September 2010, 08:49 PM	#6
broadaxe Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 334	Here is my input: as spiral said, the ring is usually at front. It is not for a lanyard but rather for a small lucky charm, most popuplar was a blue glass bead on a fine chain or leather thong. When sheet metal hilts are in concern, the scabbard is mostly made of the same material. The "twin peak" or thumb rest pommel is not very common, but also not scarce. I would date these file blades to in between the Wold Wars. The niello work is simple but very uncommon to this type of arm. It indicates circassian (highly improbable due to the form) and armenian (most probable) work.

29th September 2010, 10:25 PM	#7
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Spiral. I can't decide between your two! They are both really nice. Broadaxe. Thanks for the info But Armenian?? I thought this shape of blade was exclusive to Jordan/Syria? Am I about to get an education here? Best Gene