First Post, help identify

[Jeff D]

Hi Jim,

I definitely want that iPhone app, But, I think I see two heads on that chicken . That looks Like a Hapsburg eagle. Look on Pg 422 Plate 52. I think this is a Austrian Officers model 1850, Made by the Viennese firm Mitter 1840-1860.

All the Best
Jeff

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by Jeff D

Hi Jim,

I definitely want that iPhone app, But, I think I see two heads on that chicken . That looks Like a Hapsburg eagle. Look on Pg 422 Plate 52. I think this is a Austrian Officers model 1850, Made by the Viennese firm Mitten 1840-1860.

All the Best
Jeff

Auughghh! Jeff, ya got me!!!!!!! Andy Warhol syndrome.......but I got a little more than 15 minutes
I need better glasses, and couldnt see the second head on the chicken! but the illustration is spot on as you note.
I'll hand ya the trophy, but still think my story would make a better movie !!
Larry, its still a beauty of a sword, and the Austrian ones are not common as the British ones.
Im still wondering about that H that seems adjacent to the eagle, and the double head eagle marking. I believe Hesse did side with Austria in the conflicts earlier in the 19th century against Prussia. Still a glimmer of hope for Hesse

Good job Jeff, you got good radar, as I always said!!

All the best,
Jim

[Jeff D]

Hi Jim,

I still want to load your 'sword brain' into my iPhone, of course the phone would need more memory.

All the Best
Jeff

[Jim McDougall]

Thanks Jeff , actually it looks like the sword brain thing is more of a team effort here, so yeah, it would need a lots of memory.

Correction on my previous post, it was in the War of 1866 that Hesse sided with Austria against Prussia, and it seems interesting that the Hesse pattern is so much like the Austrian. At least that gives some good perspective on the influence. This has been an interesting exercise in these swords of the Austrian and Imperial German armies though, its great to learn more !!!

Its always great to be posting with ya Jeff!!!! Its been a while,
All the best,
Jim

[M ELEY]

Ahhhh...now this is why I just love the Forum. Absolutely an incredible ID. I think we all know how good it feels when we can pin-point these tricky pieces. Excellent job, Jim! Now, where is my iphone-

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by M ELEY

Ahhhh...now this is why I just love the Forum. Absolutely an incredible ID. I think we all know how good it feels when we can pin-point these tricky pieces. Excellent job, Jim! Now, where is my iphone-

Thanks Mark, it really has been a great ride....and Jeff has got it spot on. You're right, thats what the forum is about, and its these kinds of posts that make it fun.
Larry...you still out there???

All the best,
Jim

[mrwizard]

just a small remark from someone living in Hesse...
The map posted by Jim shows the post WW2 state Hessen.
The "Grossherzogtum Hessen und bei Rhein (Grand Duchy of Hesse and by Rhine)" looked somewhat different:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duchy_of_Hesse

Best Regards,
Thilo

[Jim McDougall]

I wanted to add here, I think this instance has presented a new axiom;
'...dont worry about the chickens eggs, make sure you count the heads!'

Thilo, thank you for the update on that map ! Its good to hear from someone out there in Hesse. I wanted to give some geographic perspective and it helps to have accurate information, I hadnt noticed the dates on this, and there were probably lots of different boundaries in the times we're discussing.

All best regards,
Jim

PS, while on the accuracy topic, plz note out there we know we're talkin eagles here, its just metaphor

[lgcal20ga]

http://books.google.com/books?id=pVE...page&q&f=false


The link came up when I Googled 1850 Austrian Officer Sword. The picture on page 15 (explanation is on page 14) identifies the one in the middle as an officers model 1850, and it very well could be exact match. Has the sword knot slots and the same scrolled quillon.

Is that the same sword?

Larry