Indian SLOs - Right?

jmings · 12th June 2005, 06:47 AM

There is no reason for me to preserve these are there?
Otherwise, I plan to de-rust and replace the handles.
Oh, yeah and bend the tips back - they're both bent over in a U.

Montino Bourbon · 12th June 2005, 09:00 AM

What is an SLO?

jmings · 12th June 2005, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Montino Bourbon

What is an SLO?

Sword Like Object also known as wallhanger i.e. something that looks like a sword but is non-functional to the point of being dangerous, in some cases, to the user and nearby people and housepets.

M.carter · 12th June 2005, 03:43 PM

The second one, yes. The first one, it depends, if its threaded, then it probably is an SLO, if the blade stuck to the hilt (which is historically accurate), then it probably deserves to be called a 'sword'.

Anyway, I find Indian SLO's of this kind to be quite good. The blade is good, as a beater anyway. The problem is with the tangs. You can regrind the tangs, starting from the forte so that you would have a better tang, then refix it onto the hilt. There you go, you have a good, shortened beater.

ariel · 12th June 2005, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M.carter

The second one, yes. The first one, it depends, if its threaded, then it probably is an SLO, if the blade stuck to the hilt (which is historically accurate), then it probably deserves to be called a 'sword'.

Anyway, I find Indian SLO's of this kind to be quite good. The blade is good, as a beater anyway. The problem is with the tangs. You can regrind the tangs, starting from the forte so that you would have a better tang, then refix it onto the hilt. There you go, you have a good, shortened beater.

BUT WHY BOTHER ?

M.carter · 12th June 2005, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

BUT WHY BOTHER ?

You're right ariel.

tom hyle · 12th June 2005, 05:59 PM

I'm not real big on the term sword like object, especially for blades made of forged or rolled steel or iron. These are certainly swords, although they aren't very good ones. Both hilts are traditional; the basket is derived of Brittish military hilts and is similar to some military regulation hilts, though it is a flimsy imitation. These blades come in two types; old and new. The older ones, up to about 1980 I think, are fairly thick with a groove, flat cross-section with a wide sabre bevel to a heavy clanking edge, and often chrome plated (this is the only kind I personally have seen in the stacked plastic handles). They newer ones are thinny-thin with flat blades with no bevel or the very slightest nod toward one. Neither type is tapered in thickness, and both are often covered with etched foliate decoration. Neither is hardened steel, or AFAIK forged (they seem to be rolled steel).
Indeed, as on many modern swords the tang is the weak part, and it doesn't help this that it is the same thickness as the tip.
Why bother? A clanking sword is a fun thing

Jeff D · 12th June 2005, 06:19 PM

I have just learned what SLO means, what does AFAIK mean?

Thanks.
Jeff

tom hyle · 12th June 2005, 06:24 PM

As Far As I Know
more:

In My (Honest, is the H I think, not Humble?) Opinion (IMHO/IMO)
Laughing Out Loud (LOL)
By The Way (BTW)

I think that's all the ones I know so far; these mysterious acronyms that make typing faster and easier.

Jeff D · 12th June 2005, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom hyle

As Far As I Know
more:

In My (Honest, is the H I think, not Humble?) Opinion (IMHO/IMO)
Laughing Out Loud (LOL)
By The Way (BTW)

I think that's all the ones I know so far; these mysterious acronyms that make typing faster and easier.

Thanks Tom

AFAIK I LOL, BTW I feel so hip now! IMO.

Jeff

Andrew · 12th June 2005, 06:39 PM

ROTFL!

(roll on the floor laughing, Jeff.

)

Rick · 12th June 2005, 07:00 PM

ROTFLMAO
You figure it out .

http://www.geocities.com/eedd88/abbr...ns.html?200512

M.carter · 12th June 2005, 07:02 PM

WTF, LOL

Tim Simmons · 12th June 2005, 07:06 PM

Right thats it, this site is the DB's Ask Lew.

Andrew · 12th June 2005, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M.carter

WTF, LOL

All good fun, guys. But let's not be spelling this one out on the public forums.

Thanks.

Jeff D · 12th June 2005, 08:50 PM

Oh no, here is a can of worms I didn't mean to open!!!

Jeff

jmings · 12th June 2005, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M.carter

The second one, yes. The first one, it depends, if its threaded, then it probably is an SLO, if the blade stuck to the hilt (which is historically accurate), then it probably deserves to be called a 'sword'.

Anyway, I find Indian SLO's of this kind to be quite good. The blade is good, as a beater anyway. The problem is with the tangs. You can regrind the tangs, starting from the forte so that you would have a better tang, then refix it onto the hilt. There you go, you have a good, shortened beater.

You are saying that the second sword with the green trifoil on the handle is worth preserving? What should I do to preserve it? Thank you.

I was pretty sure that the one with the red scabbard and easter-egg plastic ball for a handle would be OK to modify.

M.carter · 12th June 2005, 10:50 PM

I do not know what you mean by preserving, anyway they are probably both SLO's, if not for their hilts, then for the blades (rolled, unhardened steel).

Considering they are both new, how would you preserve them anyway?

jmings · 13th June 2005, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M.carter

I do not know what you mean by preserving, anyway they are probably both SLO's, if not for their hilts, then for the blades (rolled, unhardened steel).

OK, then. That's what I thought.

Quote:

Originally Posted by M.carter

Considering they are both new, how would you preserve them anyway?

That was
my question

tom hyle · 13th June 2005, 04:55 PM

Well, if one wanted to preserve a new sword, he would do it in exactly the same way as with an old sword; the nature of the question slightly confuses me; what do you intend to do with them if you don't preserve them? Is active destruction/discarding implied? Give 'em to some kids. Tell 'em not to poke their eyes out.

jmings · 13th June 2005, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom hyle

Well, if one wanted to preserve a new sword, he would do it in exactly the same way as with an old sword; the nature of the question slightly confuses me; what do you intend to do with them if you don't preserve them? Is active destruction/discarding implied? Give 'em to some kids. Tell 'em not to poke their eyes out.

If a sword is worth preserving as an historical object, I would be much less aggressive in cleaning off the rust and would not consider replacing the hilt and/or reshaping the tang.

tom hyle · 13th June 2005, 06:41 PM

Right on. They're not old, and they're not traditional enough to really be reproductions, so unless you want to preserve an archaeological record of mid to late 20th century decorator swords, I say go for it. If nothing else, experience gained working on "junk" swords can be viewed as training for either making swords or repairing antiques. Also, of course, you end up with a toy/training tool, and in the case of the thicker ones, you can even sharpen it into a half decent weapon with a lot of work. They may still be junk swords when you're done, but you can probably make them into much better junk swords than they are now.

jmings · 13th June 2005, 08:53 PM

Thank you, Tom. That's just what I needed to know.

12th June 2005, 06:47 AM	#1
jmings Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tebbetts, Missouri, USA Posts: 49	Indian SLOs - Right? There is no reason for me to preserve these are there? Otherwise, I plan to de-rust and replace the handles. Oh, yeah and bend the tips back - they're both bent over in a U. Attached Images

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jmings Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tebbetts, Missouri, USA Posts: 49	Thanks Thank you, Tom. That's just what I needed to know.

12th June 2005, 09:00 AM	#2
Montino Bourbon Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Santa Barbara, California Posts: 301	What is an SLO?

12th June 2005, 03:43 PM	#4
M.carter Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 176	The second one, yes. The first one, it depends, if its threaded, then it probably is an SLO, if the blade stuck to the hilt (which is historically accurate), then it probably deserves to be called a 'sword'. Anyway, I find Indian SLO's of this kind to be quite good. The blade is good, as a beater anyway. The problem is with the tangs. You can regrind the tangs, starting from the forte so that you would have a better tang, then refix it onto the hilt. There you go, you have a good, shortened beater.

12th June 2005, 05:59 PM	#7
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	I'm not real big on the term sword like object, especially for blades made of forged or rolled steel or iron. These are certainly swords, although they aren't very good ones. Both hilts are traditional; the basket is derived of Brittish military hilts and is similar to some military regulation hilts, though it is a flimsy imitation. These blades come in two types; old and new. The older ones, up to about 1980 I think, are fairly thick with a groove, flat cross-section with a wide sabre bevel to a heavy clanking edge, and often chrome plated (this is the only kind I personally have seen in the stacked plastic handles). They newer ones are thinny-thin with flat blades with no bevel or the very slightest nod toward one. Neither type is tapered in thickness, and both are often covered with etched foliate decoration. Neither is hardened steel, or AFAIK forged (they seem to be rolled steel). Indeed, as on many modern swords the tang is the weak part, and it doesn't help this that it is the same thickness as the tip. Why bother? A clanking sword is a fun thing

12th June 2005, 06:19 PM	#8
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	I have just learned what SLO means, what does AFAIK mean? Thanks. Jeff

12th June 2005, 06:24 PM	#9
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	As Far As I Know more: In My (Honest, is the H I think, not Humble?) Opinion (IMHO/IMO) Laughing Out Loud (LOL) By The Way (BTW) I think that's all the ones I know so far; these mysterious acronyms that make typing faster and easier.

12th June 2005, 06:39 PM	#11
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	ROTFL! (roll on the floor laughing, Jeff. )

12th June 2005, 07:00 PM	#12
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	ROTFLMAO You figure it out . http://www.geocities.com/eedd88/abbr...ns.html?200512

12th June 2005, 07:02 PM	#13
M.carter Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 176	WTF, LOL

12th June 2005, 07:06 PM	#14
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Right thats it, this site is the DB's Ask Lew.

12th June 2005, 08:50 PM	#16
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	Oh no, here is a can of worms I didn't mean to open!!! Jeff

12th June 2005, 10:50 PM	#18
M.carter Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 176	I do not know what you mean by preserving, anyway they are probably both SLO's, if not for their hilts, then for the blades (rolled, unhardened steel). Considering they are both new, how would you preserve them anyway?

13th June 2005, 04:55 PM	#20
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Well, if one wanted to preserve a new sword, he would do it in exactly the same way as with an old sword; the nature of the question slightly confuses me; what do you intend to do with them if you don't preserve them? Is active destruction/discarding implied? Give 'em to some kids. Tell 'em not to poke their eyes out.

13th June 2005, 06:41 PM	#22
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Right on. They're not old, and they're not traditional enough to really be reproductions, so unless you want to preserve an archaeological record of mid to late 20th century decorator swords, I say go for it. If nothing else, experience gained working on "junk" swords can be viewed as training for either making swords or repairing antiques. Also, of course, you end up with a toy/training tool, and in the case of the thicker ones, you can even sharpen it into a half decent weapon with a lot of work. They may still be junk swords when you're done, but you can probably make them into much better junk swords than they are now.