Question about a briquet

Ron Anderson · 21st August 2010, 11:30 AM

Dear M Eley

I'm a new member. Sorry to get to this thread late. I don't recognise the markings on your briquet. However, these were imported into the USA, mainly it seems from Russia. I think these may have been used in the civil war. Can't be sure. However, I've purchased a Russian example from the US recently and have seen quite a few available from there.

So it's not impossible it's a Russian import marked in the US.

Ron

M ELEY · 21st August 2010, 01:42 PM

Hello Ron and welcome to the forum,

Actually, we were discussing the iron-hilted example private-purchase boarding cutlass pictured in the ebay auction I posted. Yes, the briquets certainly made their way around. To date, I am aware of the pattern being in France, Austria, Russia, South America and possibly Spain?

As far as the strange markings on the briquet, I believe others had it right with their attribution to Bannerman 's catalogs. I've seen one other sword listed as being from his "collection" with the same marking. It just seems too contempoary to the piece to me...

Dmitry · 27th August 2010, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Anderson

Dear M Eley

I'm a new member. Sorry to get to this thread late. I don't recognise the markings on your briquet. However, these were imported into the USA, mainly it seems from Russia. I think these may have been used in the civil war. Can't be sure. However, I've purchased a Russian example from the US recently and have seen quite a few available from there.

So it's not impossible it's a Russian import marked in the US.

Ron

Russia didn't export anything to the US or the CS during the American Civil War. No swords, no guns, nothing.

Ron Anderson · 28th August 2010, 03:19 AM

Hi Dmitry

Sorry, I didn't mean to say it was imported during the civil war. It may have been imported before the civil war.

If so, it may have been used during the war.

I have a briquet I purchased from America. It is Russian but it has the markings CA on it and I've been told this is associated with the civil war.

Since then I have seen dozens of briquets for sale from America, all Russian and all with the marking CA on the blade.

Ron

Dmitry · 28th August 2010, 03:41 AM

Russia never exported any arms to the US, or anywhere else, aside from probably just the Kingdom of Bulgaria, which was even less industrially-developed. In fact, quite the opposite, the US companies exported arms into Russia, and later into the Soviet Union.
The briquet with the CA marking that you have sounds like a an Italian bersaglieri or police hanger from the WWII period or thereabout, and is indeed quite abundant.

Ron Anderson · 28th August 2010, 05:38 AM

Hi Dmitry

The item is in storage currently and unfortunately I don't have a photo. However, it is certainly not from WW2. It is an early 19th century briquet - this is blatantly obvious from both its condition and its patina. It matches the Russian 1817 model briquet exactly. Which doesn't surprise me, because that is what it was described as when I bought it.

I have been collecting swords for 25 years and I know the difference between a ww2 sword and a sword from the early to mid 19th century.

This sword is the Russian pattern.

That doesn't necessarily mean it was manufactured in Russia. It could have been made in Solingen, and the US certainly imported swords from there. However, there is no such marking to confirm one way or another.

Ron

Dmitry · 28th August 2010, 06:28 AM

Is that it?

Ron Anderson · 28th August 2010, 09:33 AM

Yes, that it is it.

28th August 2010, 06:28 AM	#7
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21st August 2010, 11:30 AM	#1
Ron Anderson Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 228	Dear M Eley I'm a new member. Sorry to get to this thread late. I don't recognise the markings on your briquet. However, these were imported into the USA, mainly it seems from Russia. I think these may have been used in the civil war. Can't be sure. However, I've purchased a Russian example from the US recently and have seen quite a few available from there. So it's not impossible it's a Russian import marked in the US. Ron

21st August 2010, 01:42 PM	#2
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,196	Hello Ron and welcome to the forum, Actually, we were discussing the iron-hilted example private-purchase boarding cutlass pictured in the ebay auction I posted. Yes, the briquets certainly made their way around. To date, I am aware of the pattern being in France, Austria, Russia, South America and possibly Spain? As far as the strange markings on the briquet, I believe others had it right with their attribution to Bannerman 's catalogs. I've seen one other sword listed as being from his "collection" with the same marking. It just seems too contempoary to the piece to me...

28th August 2010, 03:19 AM	#4
Ron Anderson Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 228	Hi Dmitry Sorry, I didn't mean to say it was imported during the civil war. It may have been imported before the civil war. If so, it may have been used during the war. I have a briquet I purchased from America. It is Russian but it has the markings CA on it and I've been told this is associated with the civil war. Since then I have seen dozens of briquets for sale from America, all Russian and all with the marking CA on the blade. Ron

28th August 2010, 03:41 AM	#5
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	Russia never exported any arms to the US, or anywhere else, aside from probably just the Kingdom of Bulgaria, which was even less industrially-developed. In fact, quite the opposite, the US companies exported arms into Russia, and later into the Soviet Union. The briquet with the CA marking that you have sounds like a an Italian bersaglieri or police hanger from the WWII period or thereabout, and is indeed quite abundant.

28th August 2010, 05:38 AM	#6
Ron Anderson Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 228	Hi Dmitry The item is in storage currently and unfortunately I don't have a photo. However, it is certainly not from WW2. It is an early 19th century briquet - this is blatantly obvious from both its condition and its patina. It matches the Russian 1817 model briquet exactly. Which doesn't surprise me, because that is what it was described as when I bought it. I have been collecting swords for 25 years and I know the difference between a ww2 sword and a sword from the early to mid 19th century. This sword is the Russian pattern. That doesn't necessarily mean it was manufactured in Russia. It could have been made in Solingen, and the US certainly imported swords from there. However, there is no such marking to confirm one way or another. Ron

28th August 2010, 09:33 AM	#8
Ron Anderson Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 228	Yes, that it is it.