translation please Cojang/Rudus Atjeh

asomotif · 19th August 2010, 11:04 PM

Hello Dom,

Thanks for joining.
Do you mean the whole writing is ilegible or just the first ?
I believe there is a parts arabic (red) and a part that is some western inititials carved in at later date (in blue)

Am I correct on that ?

Best regards,
Willem

Dom · 20th August 2010, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Am I correct on that ?

Hi Willem
correct ?? sorry, but not fully ...

the translation, and explanations gave by "Zifir" was absolutely pertinent and correct
I just added, that in Arabic, no meaning apparently

here the correct form

à +

Dom

asomotif · 20th August 2010, 07:17 AM

Ok, I will hide myself under a rock and not be shown for some time

Thanks Dom !
Thanks for the explanation.
This will surely help understanding these inscriptions in the future.

This also makes me very curious to the elegible part.
That must be something local / sumatran.

Let's see if we can find some more helpers

Best regards,
Willem

tunggulametung · 22nd August 2010, 02:34 PM

We have to understand the vocabulary to read jawi because there is no vowel mark/harakat, but it sounded close enough to admir or samir & muhamad or mukamad, but again might read something else. In this particular case the script is rather vague. I think we should read the number in this direction <- no?
Maybe there's a better opinion from someone else, but hope this help.

David · 22nd August 2010, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tunggulametung

I think we should read the number in this direction <- no?

That is a good point. Shouldn't arabic be read right to left?

Dom · 22nd August 2010, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by David

That is a good point. Shouldn't arabic be read right to left?

Yes ... EXCEPTED ... for numbers

don't seems coherent, but it's the fact

e.i. ٢٠١٠ for 2010
it's read as; halfen (2000) achara (10)
===>> ===>>

littLe more complicated ١٢٣٤ for 1234
it's read as; half (1000) miten (200) arba (4) thalateen (30)

we are following me

here to complete your chart for oriental number

Arabic 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Persian variant ۰ ۱ ۲ ۳ ۴ ۵ ۶ ۷ ۸ ۹

à +

Dom

tunggulametung · 22nd August 2010, 07:11 PM

Thanks Dom for the clarification. Much like French numeric reading.

By the way, another variation that I have regarding the scrip: admir mahmud or makmud?

only until the better translation comes their way

19th August 2010, 11:04 PM	#1
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	Hello Dom, Thanks for joining. Do you mean the whole writing is ilegible or just the first ? I believe there is a parts arabic (red) and a part that is some western inititials carved in at later date (in blue) Am I correct on that ? Best regards, Willem Attached Images

20th August 2010, 07:17 AM	#3
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	Ok, I will hide myself under a rock and not be shown for some time Thanks Dom ! Thanks for the explanation. This will surely help understanding these inscriptions in the future. This also makes me very curious to the elegible part. That must be something local / sumatran. Let's see if we can find some more helpers Best regards, Willem

22nd August 2010, 02:34 PM	#4
tunggulametung Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 238	We have to understand the vocabulary to read jawi because there is no vowel mark/harakat, but it sounded close enough to admir or samir & muhamad or mukamad, but again might read something else. In this particular case the script is rather vague. I think we should read the number in this direction <- no? Maybe there's a better opinion from someone else, but hope this help.

22nd August 2010, 07:11 PM	#7
tunggulametung Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 238	Thanks Dom for the clarification. Much like French numeric reading. By the way, another variation that I have regarding the scrip: admir mahmud or makmud? only until the better translation comes their way