Moro: Kalis Seko with old restoration!

Maurice · 17th July 2010, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

I agree that it is Sulu, etc. I do think the rope etc is later.

Thank you Jose. But could this be a "done over and over and over" restoration?

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Originally Posted by Battara

The silver band at the end - maybe, maybe not, though it is harder for me to see the patina well enough to tell for sure. These scabbards sometimes did and did not have silver band(s) at the bottom. If it did, it would also most likely have one under the crosspiece as well.

My opinion is that it was or ratan, or brass/copper, considering the metal used between the handle and the pommel. If the scabbard would have silver bands, I guess they would also use silver between the handle and the pommel.

Battara · 17th July 2010, 07:40 PM

Could also be copper or brass bands - need to check a little spot on the band to see if copper or brass - patinas would look the same (copper content on both).
Would have to see close ups of the scabbard to see if the patina matches woven rattan.

Maurice · 17th July 2010, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Could also be copper or brass bands - need to check a little spot on the band to see if copper or brass - patinas would look the same (copper content on both).
Would have to see close ups of the scabbard to see if the patina matches woven rattan.

It is copper and no brass. There is a very little spot on a round edge where the red copper is visible with a magnifying glass. Also it smells heavily like copper.

Here images of the tip of the scabbard where once a band had been. It is approximately 3 cm wide.

kai · 18th July 2010, 02:09 AM

Hello Maurice,

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Here images of the tip of the scabbard where once a band had been. It is approximately 3 cm wide.

That's too wide for most woven rattan bands; also those shadows appear to have smooth sides which would fit metal bands better than usually more rugged rattan, too.

May not be conclusive but I'd tend towards 2 metal rather than rattan bands for this scabbard.

Regards,
Kai

Battara · 18th July 2010, 03:56 AM

I'm with Kai on this. The patina does not have the the line or woven indentation that comes with tightly wrapped or woven rattan (if I judge the pictures right). It probably had a plain copper top and plain bottom band.

Maurice · 18th July 2010, 10:27 AM

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It probably had a plain copper top and plain bottom band.

Than we are with 3 of us.
A friend of mine offered me to make me the copper bands.

Maurice · 18th July 2010, 10:32 AM

Any thoughts about the devious looking crest?

I think it is not a normal form, and probably something is broken, or a chip of wood is off, but according the patina a long, long time ago.

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Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	Devious looking crest! Any thoughts about the devious looking crest? I think it is not a normal form, and probably something is broken, or a chip of wood is off, but according the patina a long, long time ago. Attached Images

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Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Could also be copper or brass bands - need to check a little spot on the band to see if copper or brass - patinas would look the same (copper content on both). Would have to see close ups of the scabbard to see if the patina matches woven rattan.

18th July 2010, 03:56 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	I'm with Kai on this. The patina does not have the the line or woven indentation that comes with tightly wrapped or woven rattan (if I judge the pictures right). It probably had a plain copper top and plain bottom band.