Warangan

David · 12th July 2010, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

Well, in my opinion the warangan work could not be better with these blades and I willl be open and curious to know what is wrong with it. If you can do as well or even better, congrats!

Oh Jean, i sincerely doubt i could do any better, but that's not my point. I am not a professional at such things and only aspire towards the practice because there's nobody living anywhere near me that i could bring my blades to for a professional job. I do the best i can and only hope that i get a little bit better at it each time.
You are, of course, absolutely correct that the success of staining will be, among many other variables, determined by the condition of the blade and ideal results are not always possible. A good strong color or blackening of the iron is not always obtainable. So you may be right, it is possible that the warangan could not be better with these particular blades. However, i have often done repeat washings on blades when i didn't like it the first time and found that it could indeed be better. So you never know until you try. It's not a matter of whether or not there is only a small amount of intact pamor.I guess for me, i am looking for a good even result with good "color". Different irons form different periods are going to yield different "colors", but the results should be even i think.

Jean · 12th July 2010, 07:48 PM

David,
Thanks you for your message and I fully understand what you say, especially about the different staining results depending on the blade itself.
One aspect which could be objectively criticized by some collectors about the blades which I showed after warangan is that the pamor contrast is too high and the iron color too dark, but I personally like it this way, and with time and repeated oilings the contrast is decreasing anyway.
About obtaining an even color result on the 3rd and 4th blades from the left which have little original pamor (one is from tangguh Pajajaran), I doubt that it could be achieved unless the staining is much milder and the iron would not be black in this case.
By the way this thread was not just for showing my blades but also to see and discuss staining results from others also.
Best regards
Jean

David · 12th July 2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

By the way this thread was not just for showing my blades but also to see and discuss staining results from others also.

Oh i see Jean, trying to trap me into showing some of my blades, eh?

Seriously though, you may or may not know that i generally refain from showing my blades on the internet, but let me see if i can find a good before and after of something i stained.

Jean · 12th July 2010, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Oh i see Jean, trying to trap me into showing some of my blades, eh?

David,
Yeah, I am afraid that you fell right into it!

And others are welcome too!
Best regards
Jean

Rick · 15th July 2010, 11:41 PM

Okay !
I'm going to rat you out David .

One done for me; smooth surface .

David · 16th July 2010, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Okay !
I'm going to rat you out David .

One done for me; smooth surface .

OK, it's a fair cop...

BTW, for those who are interested, i used a brush on method here.

Jean · 16th July 2010, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Okay !
I'm going to rat you out David .

One done for me; smooth surface .

Haha, my turn to be critical! Good work but I notice some residual red rust under the stain one third up the blade? Or is it poor maintenance from Rick?
Best regards
Jean

asomotif · 16th July 2010, 12:15 PM

I noticed that too, but assumed it is reflection of something at the background. or maybe flash ?

Rick, can you enlighten us ?

Best regards,
Willem

David · 16th July 2010, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

Haha, my turn to be critical! Good work but I notice some residual red rust under the stain one third up the blade? Or is it poor maintenance from Rick?

Well Jean, as i stated further back in this thread "Frankly this looks much like the kind of results i get when i stain and i don't consider my skills at this work to be particular laudable." I know that i would never refer to my own warangan work as impressive.

However, i can assure you that there is no residual rust here. There is an bit of unevenness in the way the stain took in that area of the blade. I actually did Rick's blade twice and when the same thing happened in that area the second time i let it be with my apologies to him.

I guess since he wasn't paying for the job he was happy with.

And yes, the blade is gonjo iras IMO. Nice blade, i almost didn't send it back to him.

15th July 2010, 11:41 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,342	Okay ! I'm going to rat you out David . One done for me; smooth surface . Attached Images

12th July 2010, 07:48 PM	#2
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	David, Thanks you for your message and I fully understand what you say, especially about the different staining results depending on the blade itself. One aspect which could be objectively criticized by some collectors about the blades which I showed after warangan is that the pamor contrast is too high and the iron color too dark, but I personally like it this way, and with time and repeated oilings the contrast is decreasing anyway. About obtaining an even color result on the 3rd and 4th blades from the left which have little original pamor (one is from tangguh Pajajaran), I doubt that it could be achieved unless the staining is much milder and the iron would not be black in this case. By the way this thread was not just for showing my blades but also to see and discuss staining results from others also. Best regards Jean

16th July 2010, 12:15 PM	#8
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	I noticed that too, but assumed it is reflection of something at the background. or maybe flash ? Rick, can you enlighten us ? Best regards, Willem