A Filipino Oddity....A Pir-Rong???!!!

tom hyle · 25th June 2010, 07:33 PM

I see an awful lot of kris sundang and barong with both types of cockatoo and with hoof handles. There seems no division as to blade, other than re asangs/bacas/clamps. The true cockatoo as I call it is also not only Moro, but is seen in other cultures of the region, notably Visayan. The hoof type handle is even more widely distributed. Of course a Visayan one or a Batangas one (for instance) can be identified from a Moro one, but they are still clearly hoof and cockatoo handles. Unlike the "fully developed cockatoo" which seems to be modelled on the sex organ of a plant (it has no beak, it has no cheeks, it has no eyes, it is widest at the top). IMHO this relates to Japanese plant-based heraldry, for instance.

Sajen · 26th June 2010, 11:08 AM

Here the pictures:

tom hyle · 26th June 2010, 12:19 PM

Thank you, Sajen!

Battara · 26th June 2010, 09:33 PM

Sajen how'd you do that?

CharlesS · 26th June 2010, 10:22 PM

Thanks Sajen.

I don't see much similarity here with the piece originally posted, unless the angle of the last photo hides the contours of the blade.

26th June 2010, 11:08 AM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Here the pictures: Attached Images

25th June 2010, 07:33 PM	#1
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	I see an awful lot of kris sundang and barong with both types of cockatoo and with hoof handles. There seems no division as to blade, other than re asangs/bacas/clamps. The true cockatoo as I call it is also not only Moro, but is seen in other cultures of the region, notably Visayan. The hoof type handle is even more widely distributed. Of course a Visayan one or a Batangas one (for instance) can be identified from a Moro one, but they are still clearly hoof and cockatoo handles. Unlike the "fully developed cockatoo" which seems to be modelled on the sex organ of a plant (it has no beak, it has no cheeks, it has no eyes, it is widest at the top). IMHO this relates to Japanese plant-based heraldry, for instance.

26th June 2010, 12:19 PM	#3
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Thank you, Sajen!

26th June 2010, 09:33 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Sajen how'd you do that?

26th June 2010, 10:22 PM	#5
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Thanks Sajen. I don't see much similarity here with the piece originally posted, *unless* the angle of the last photo hides the contours of the blade.