WW2 Hill Tribe Dha

aiontay · 17th June 2010, 05:09 AM

The Saya San Rebellion brings colonialism, tattoos and swords all togather. And while it was definitely a peasant rebellion, as Martin Smith notes, it did influence the Thakin movement.

Tim Simmons · 17th June 2010, 09:27 AM

Picture of questionable Victorian pose and taste, but gives some idea. On the other hand could be just a very decorative rent boy for want of better words?

aiontay · 17th June 2010, 01:48 PM

Note the caption underneath. Immunity from sword or gunshot wounds. The Karens and Shans have the same beliefs. I know of a pattern that is supposed to confer immunity to sword cuts.

Nathaniel · 17th June 2010, 03:03 PM

Thai have the same as well......some of the markings on the swords or person are for protection/ blessing.

Aiontay, do you have a picture or can draw a picture of the protection tatoo your mention? That would be interesting to see

Is it a Burmese, Shan or Kachin Yant?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yantra_tattooing

aiontay · 18th June 2010, 04:26 AM

It is a Karen pattern I was told about by the guy I learned (just a little) Karen sword fighting from. The design is a tiger on one arm and a naga on the other. I forget which arm is which. I need to pull out that video and watch it again. Anyway, it isn't just the pattern, but also what material is used and how it is done. You collect the blood of all sorts of strong, dangerous animals like tigers, pythons, elephants etc, and mix them together; that is your ink. Then you heat the tattooing needle red hot, dip it in the blood mix and then stick it in the skin. I don't know if it would actually stop sword cuts, but anyone willing submit to, and endure the proccess necessary to get that tattoo (and survive the likely infections following) is one tough guy. After enduring that, anything short of nuclear war has got to seem like a picnic.

Tim Simmons · 20th June 2010, 06:59 PM

I was draw to this thread. Is there any relevance? I could see some similarities in engraved decoration and even the bicycle part guard mimicking more fancy metalwork?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10655

Tim Simmons · 22nd June 2010, 09:53 PM

Look at British merchant shipping at ww1.

It really is quite possible for this sword to be pre ww2. For sure it was not made before 1910. One ship here the Warwickshire was on the Burma run.

WARWICKSHIRE (1) was built in 1902 by Harland & Wolff at Belfast with a tonnage of 7975grt, a length of 470ft 4in, a beam of 58ft 2in and a service speed of 15 knots. Launched on 28th November 1901 and completed in the following March she was the first Bibby ship to have tandem cabins whereby the inner cabin had access to a port hole via a narrow corridor. She was also the first ship to be propelled with 4 cylinder quadruple expansion engines and equipped with electric fans. During World War 1 she was only ship to remain on the Rangoon service although she was joined by the Lancashire (2) in 1917. On 10th April 1918 she was hit by a torpedo which blew a hole right through her bow but she managed to reach Bizerta safely. In April 1919 she resumed the Burma service but made two extended voyages to Australia with troops before returning to Burma to load for the inbound voyage. She was refitted by her builder in 1920 during which time she was converted to oil burning. In 1927 she was replaced by the Cheshire (2) and rebuilt for cargo work only with telescopic masts and a removable funnel top for passage in the Manchester Ship Canal. After a further five years service she was broken up in Japan during May 1932. (Photo: Bibby Line Group)

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17th June 2010, 09:27 AM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Burman+Tattoos+Dha Picture of questionable Victorian pose and taste, but gives some idea. On the other hand could be just a very decorative rent boy for want of better words? Attached Images

20th June 2010, 06:59 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Thread cross reference I was draw to this thread. Is there any relevance? I could see some similarities in engraved decoration and even the bicycle part guard mimicking more fancy metalwork? http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10655

22nd June 2010, 09:53 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Look at British merchant shipping at ww1. It really is quite possible for this sword to be pre ww2. For sure it was not made before 1910. One ship here the Warwickshire was on the Burma run. WARWICKSHIRE (1) was built in 1902 by Harland & Wolff at Belfast with a tonnage of 7975grt, a length of 470ft 4in, a beam of 58ft 2in and a service speed of 15 knots. Launched on 28th November 1901 and completed in the following March she was the first Bibby ship to have tandem cabins whereby the inner cabin had access to a port hole via a narrow corridor. She was also the first ship to be propelled with 4 cylinder quadruple expansion engines and equipped with electric fans. During World War 1 she was only ship to remain on the Rangoon service although she was joined by the Lancashire (2) in 1917. On 10th April 1918 she was hit by a torpedo which blew a hole right through her bow but she managed to reach Bizerta safely. In April 1919 she resumed the Burma service but made two extended voyages to Australia with troops before returning to Burma to load for the inbound voyage. She was refitted by her builder in 1920 during which time she was converted to oil burning. In 1927 she was replaced by the Cheshire (2) and rebuilt for cargo work only with telescopic masts and a removable funnel top for passage in the Manchester Ship Canal. After a further five years service she was broken up in Japan during May 1932. (Photo: Bibby Line Group) http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...www.red-duster Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 23rd June 2010 at 07:32 PM.

17th June 2010, 05:09 AM	#1
aiontay Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 88	The Saya San Rebellion brings colonialism, tattoos and swords all togather. And while it was definitely a peasant rebellion, as Martin Smith notes, it did influence the Thakin movement.

17th June 2010, 01:48 PM	#3
aiontay Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 88	Note the caption underneath. Immunity from sword or gunshot wounds. The Karens and Shans have the same beliefs. I know of a pattern that is supposed to confer immunity to sword cuts.

17th June 2010, 03:03 PM	#4
Nathaniel Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 865	Thai have the same as well......some of the markings on the swords or person are for protection/ blessing. Aiontay, do you have a picture or can draw a picture of the protection tatoo your mention? That would be interesting to see Is it a Burmese, Shan or Kachin Yant? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yantra_tattooing

18th June 2010, 04:26 AM	#5
aiontay Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 88	It is a Karen pattern I was told about by the guy I learned (just a little) Karen sword fighting from. The design is a tiger on one arm and a naga on the other. I forget which arm is which. I need to pull out that video and watch it again. Anyway, it isn't just the pattern, but also what material is used and how it is done. You collect the blood of all sorts of strong, dangerous animals like tigers, pythons, elephants etc, and mix them together; that is your ink. Then you heat the tattooing needle red hot, dip it in the blood mix and then stick it in the skin. I don't know if it would actually stop sword cuts, but anyone willing submit to, and endure the proccess necessary to get that tattoo (and survive the likely infections following) is one tough guy. After enduring that, anything short of nuclear war has got to seem like a picnic.