17thC relic Rapier saved?

Martin Lubojacky · 9th June 2010, 10:40 AM

Hello,
I consider sensitive cleaning and preservation as crucial in cold arms collecting, nevertheless I am not experienced too much and I would like to learn as much as possible. Until now I was informed WD 40 could be sometimes too much agresive (continuing to dissolve deep rust even after the finished preservation) in comparision with other oils like e.g. Konkord.

As far as after aclening preservation is concerned, when I discussed with "museum people", they recommend in certain cases tanin (even if the iron is clened up after this tanating), and for finshing special silicon oil or restoration wax... If I may ask - olive oil is traditional preservation surfactant ?

fernando · 9th June 2010, 01:16 PM

Hi Gene, what a lucky lad you are

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A pappenheimer, no less

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And off to the beauty parlour with it

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Fernando

fernando · 9th June 2010, 02:35 PM

Philip's appetizer recipe sounds delicious but, naturally due to my origin's influence, a generous drizzle of olive oil on boiled (dried) cod fish and potatoes, makes it the dish of Gods

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I take it for myself that, cleaning an old rusty sword, blade and hilt, unless done by a professional restorer, is always an adventure.
I hear that olive oil was already used by Romans in their blades. Evidently, despite their mighty possibilities, tey didn't have at hand all this derusting and conservation paraphernalia that we find nowadays.
Searching in the Forum for the term 'olive oil', one can find quite a few threads where this resource is used or adviced.
I have used olive oil in a couple pole arms and swords (after being adviced) and it looks fine. Naturaly i am talking about conservation and patination; the said weapons, although being early items, had no active rust to deal with.
I admit olive oil may have its inconveniences; maybe not so hazardous that we can't leave with. Well, we even eat it

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This not meanning that modern stuffs are not better, by all means. More a question of those who fancy following the line of tradition; old weapons, old systems ... old fashion look

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Fernando

Jim McDougall · 9th June 2010, 07:09 PM

Good grief!!! You guys and all this culinary stuff make my baloney sandwich look pretty pedestrian!!!

Thank you so much Michael for your always excellent additions of contemporary artwork, which really add dimension to the weapons we are studying.......and 'Pappenheimer' ..nicely done!!! That one really flew by us on the radar!!!!

All the best,
Jim

9th June 2010, 02:35 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	better uses for olive oil... Philip's appetizer recipe sounds delicious but, naturally due to my origin's influence, a generous drizzle of olive oil on boiled (dried) cod fish and potatoes, makes it the dish of Gods . I take it for myself that, cleaning an old rusty sword, blade and hilt, unless done by a professional restorer, is always an adventure. I hear that olive oil was already used by Romans in their blades. Evidently, despite their mighty possibilities, tey didn't have at hand all this derusting and conservation paraphernalia that we find nowadays. Searching in the Forum for the term 'olive oil', one can find quite a few threads where this resource is used or adviced. I have used olive oil in a couple pole arms and swords (after being adviced) and it looks fine. Naturaly i am talking about conservation and patination; the said weapons, although being early items, had no active rust to deal with. I admit olive oil may have its inconveniences; maybe not so hazardous that we can't leave with. Well, we even eat it . This not meanning that modern stuffs are not better, by all means. More a question of those who fancy following the line of tradition; old weapons, old systems ... old fashion look . Fernando Last edited by fernando; 9th June 2010 at 07:15 PM. Reason: paragraph completion.

9th June 2010, 10:40 AM	#1
Martin Lubojacky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 843	Hello, I consider sensitive cleaning and preservation as crucial in cold arms collecting, nevertheless I am not experienced too much and I would like to learn as much as possible. Until now I was informed WD 40 could be sometimes too much agresive (continuing to dissolve deep rust even after the finished preservation) in comparision with other oils like e.g. Konkord. As far as after aclening preservation is concerned, when I discussed with "museum people", they recommend in certain cases tanin (even if the iron is clened up after this tanating), and for finshing special silicon oil or restoration wax... If I may ask - olive oil is traditional preservation surfactant ?

9th June 2010, 01:16 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi Gene, what a lucky lad you are . A pappenheimer, no less . And off to the beauty parlour with it . Fernando

9th June 2010, 07:09 PM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,192	Good grief!!! You guys and all this culinary stuff make my baloney sandwich look pretty pedestrian!!! Thank you so much Michael for your always excellent additions of contemporary artwork, which really add dimension to the weapons we are studying.......and 'Pappenheimer' ..nicely done!!! That one really flew by us on the radar!!!! All the best, Jim