Who won the eBay listed Tenegre dated 1899?

Dimasalang · 8th June 2010, 09:24 PM

Pepperskull, cool to know some of your background. And wow that is quite a mix!

From what I've read on this particular battle, a Lt Col Dickman was the officer in charge of 6 companies of the 26th Volunteers and 1 company of the 6th Inf. He reported casualties, captures, and field pieces to his superiors, but he did not leave a written report on this engagement. Some reports only give one sentence acknowledgment to this battle and listed it as a "stronghold". The testimony of one soldier named Obrien mentioned this as the largest battle as he estimated the opposition to be near 3000. I can send you the war report of the Panay Campaign, let me know if you want to read through it.

In WWII Balantang was also said to be the bloodiest battle between the Japanese and the Filipino Guerrillas. I am guessing the geographics to this barrio made this place important if it was a stronghold used in the Phil-Am War and was marked as the bloodiest battle for the guerrillas in WWII.

Dimasalang · 8th June 2010, 09:27 PM

Katana, I'm in agreement with Battara. To add also, if the engravings were indeed added later to give it provenance, why pick a specific battle that is nearly insignificant and unknown? The word battle is not even engraved as well...so there is no clue to it even being part of a war on the surface. Balantang is a small barrio of Jaro...by American accounts Balantang is not even mentioned by name. If it were me, I would of added "Martin Delgado" or "Santa Barbara"(HQ of the Filipino force in Panay)...something that is easily recalled and would have added considerably more value to the sword.

nacho · 9th June 2010, 03:28 AM

The reason Balantang was prominent in both the Philippine-American War and WW2 is because of its strategic location. Balantang is in the outskirts of Jaro, the last major town of Iloilo City. There was only one bridge over the Iloilo river (another bridge was built 10 yrs ago) that links Jaro to the road that leads to the major Panay towns of Leganes and Pototan to the east. This place is also called "tabuk suba" (in English, river crossing).

So, to defend Iloilo City (in those early days, Jaro was where the illustrados lived. That's where the grand mansions of the hacienderos are clustered in), the defensive line must be held at Tabuk Suba.

Tabuk Suba is part of Barrio Balantang.

During the Philippine American war, the Americans held the positions within the city as they entered via the port of Iloilo. The Philippine forces under Delgado harrassed the enemy from the outlying towns of Santa Barbara and Leganes/Pototan.

During WW2 (when the Americans where already in Leyte but Iloilo was still in Japanese hands), the Japanese defensive line was again at Tabuk Suba. The Lizares Mansion, just across the river, was used as their principal garrisson.

Spunjer · 9th June 2010, 04:50 AM

ahh, tabuk suba... Hehehe. My old stomping ground. Right across the tractor dealership (i think it's a supermarket now).
anyways, interesting post. Cool info, nacho...

Dimasalang · 9th June 2010, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nacho

The reason Balantang was prominent in both the Philippine-American War and WW2 is because of its strategic location. Balantang is in the outskirts of Jaro, the last major town of Iloilo City. There was only one bridge over the Iloilo river (another bridge was built 10 yrs ago) that links Jaro to the road that leads to the major Panay towns of Leganes and Pototan to the east. This place is also called "tabuk suba" (in English, river crossing).

So, to defend Iloilo City (in those early days, Jaro was where the illustrados lived. That's where the grand mansions of the hacienderos are clustered in), the defensive line must be held at Tabuk Suba.

Tabuk Suba is part of Barrio Balantang.

During the Philippine American war, the Americans held the positions within the city as they entered via the port of Iloilo. The Philippine forces under Delgado harrassed the enemy from the outlying towns of Santa Barbara and Leganes/Pototan.

During WW2 (when the Americans where already in Leyte but Iloilo was still in Japanese hands), the Japanese defensive line was again at Tabuk Suba. The Lizares Mansion, just across the river, was used as their principal garrisson.

Thanks Nacho for detailing and elaborating more on that area. Your post is greatly appreciated in this thread.

8th June 2010, 09:24 PM	#1
Dimasalang Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 264	Pepperskull, cool to know some of your background. And wow that is quite a mix! From what I've read on this particular battle, a Lt Col Dickman was the officer in charge of 6 companies of the 26th Volunteers and 1 company of the 6th Inf. He reported casualties, captures, and field pieces to his superiors, but he did not leave a written report on this engagement. Some reports only give one sentence acknowledgment to this battle and listed it as a "stronghold". The testimony of one soldier named Obrien mentioned this as the largest battle as he estimated the opposition to be near 3000. I can send you the war report of the Panay Campaign, let me know if you want to read through it. In WWII Balantang was also said to be the bloodiest battle between the Japanese and the Filipino Guerrillas. I am guessing the geographics to this barrio made this place important if it was a stronghold used in the Phil-Am War and was marked as the bloodiest battle for the guerrillas in WWII.

8th June 2010, 09:27 PM	#2
Dimasalang Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 264	Katana, I'm in agreement with Battara. To add also, if the engravings were indeed added later to give it provenance, why pick a specific battle that is nearly insignificant and unknown? The word battle is not even engraved as well...so there is no clue to it even being part of a war on the surface. Balantang is a small barrio of Jaro...by American accounts Balantang is not even mentioned by name. If it were me, I would of added "Martin Delgado" or "Santa Barbara"(HQ of the Filipino force in Panay)...something that is easily recalled and would have added considerably more value to the sword.

9th June 2010, 03:28 AM	#3
nacho Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Makati Posts: 69	The reason Balantang was prominent in both the Philippine-American War and WW2 is because of its strategic location. Balantang is in the outskirts of Jaro, the last major town of Iloilo City. There was only one bridge over the Iloilo river (another bridge was built 10 yrs ago) that links Jaro to the road that leads to the major Panay towns of Leganes and Pototan to the east. This place is also called "tabuk suba" (in English, river crossing). So, to defend Iloilo City (in those early days, Jaro was where the illustrados lived. That's where the grand mansions of the hacienderos are clustered in), the defensive line must be held at Tabuk Suba. Tabuk Suba is part of Barrio Balantang. During the Philippine American war, the Americans held the positions within the city as they entered via the port of Iloilo. The Philippine forces under Delgado harrassed the enemy from the outlying towns of Santa Barbara and Leganes/Pototan. During WW2 (when the Americans where already in Leyte but Iloilo was still in Japanese hands), the Japanese defensive line was again at Tabuk Suba. The Lizares Mansion, just across the river, was used as their principal garrisson.

9th June 2010, 04:50 AM	#4
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	ahh, tabuk suba... Hehehe. My old stomping ground. Right across the tractor dealership (i think it's a supermarket now). anyways, interesting post. Cool info, nacho...