Comments on the blade of this Moro Kris?

tom hyle · 4th June 2005, 04:35 PM

I'd like to add concerning the idea that the pattern could be faked, that the way it seems to go linear and lose its complex pattern toward the end of the etched area seems to argue for it being real.

VVV · 5th June 2005, 08:37 AM

Thank you all for your help and comments on my Kris.

Michael

PS Rick, I at least would like to see your Budiak spearpoint.
Please mail me a picture when you have time.
I also own one of those archaic keris

Bill · 5th June 2005, 01:38 PM

Michael, Could you post pics of the old kris?

VVV · 5th June 2005, 03:14 PM

Bill,

I am not sure at all if my keris really is old or treated somehow to make it look old. But it doesn't look like a regular keris buda.
I will take some pics of it and let you judge.

Bill · 5th June 2005, 05:16 PM

Thanks for posting all the pics. I'm sure your post of the keris will get responce. I wonder if the same manner was used on both the kris & keris, only less on the kris. I guess this is a dangerous subject, too much info may cause some old pieces to get this type of etch. Does anyone have an idea how long this type of etch has been done? I guess an old heirloom piece may have been ecthed some time after its originations, only to enhance it, where if done today, it would be done to enhance value, & in my opinion destroying the piece. Rick, can you post close-ups of the etching on your pieces, do you think they were done by the same process as in Michaels kris? Antiques post a pic from Houlstein, in this old tread http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001982.html , of an unusual piece, if I re-call, it had a deep etch, & Bugis like hilt.

Rick · 5th June 2005, 05:48 PM

Bill , none of my Moro pieces were done in the style of Michael's . They , for the most part , show only a surface pattern . The only example of a Moro sword that has some slight topography that I have is the one posted further back in this thread ; there is a picture of the tip showing the edge applied around the twisted core .

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As for the keris on the other thread ; it looks like it was buried , or was made to look so . That is not a finish that comes from centuries of ritual etching IMO .

tom hyle · 6th June 2005, 10:28 AM

Too much information (?!) would only likely encourage old Moro swords to get the kind of finish they would've originally had before years of existence; it is too little information that might promote an incorrect/nontraditional treatment; a little knowlege is a dangerous thing.

4th June 2005, 04:35 PM	#1
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	I'd like to add concerning the idea that the pattern could be faked, that the way it seems to go linear and lose its complex pattern toward the end of the etched area seems to argue for it being real.

5th June 2005, 08:37 AM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thank you all for your help and comments on my Kris. Michael PS Rick, I at least would like to see your Budiak spearpoint. Please mail me a picture when you have time. I also own one of those archaic keris

5th June 2005, 01:38 PM	#3
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	Michael, Could you post pics of the old kris?

5th June 2005, 03:14 PM	#4
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Bill, I am not sure at all if my keris really is old or treated somehow to make it look old. But it doesn't look like a regular keris buda. I will take some pics of it and let you judge.

5th June 2005, 05:16 PM	#5
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	Thanks for posting all the pics. I'm sure your post of the keris will get responce. I wonder if the same manner was used on both the kris & keris, only less on the kris. I guess this is a dangerous subject, too much info may cause some old pieces to get this type of etch. Does anyone have an idea how long this type of etch has been done? I guess an old heirloom piece may have been ecthed some time after its originations, only to enhance it, where if done today, it would be done to enhance value, & in my opinion destroying the piece. Rick, can you post close-ups of the etching on your pieces, do you think they were done by the same process as in Michaels kris? Antiques post a pic from Houlstein, in this old tread http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001982.html , of an unusual piece, if I re-call, it had a deep etch, & Bugis like hilt.

5th June 2005, 05:48 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Bill , none of my Moro pieces were done in the style of Michael's . They , for the most part , show only a surface pattern . The only example of a Moro sword that has some slight topography that I have is the one posted further back in this thread ; there is a picture of the tip showing the edge applied around the twisted core . ---------------------------------------------------------------------- As for the keris on the other thread ; it looks like it was buried , or was made to look so . That is not a finish that comes from centuries of ritual etching IMO .

6th June 2005, 10:28 AM	#7
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Too much information (?!) would only likely encourage old Moro swords to get the kind of finish they would've originally had before years of existence; it is too little information that might promote an incorrect/nontraditional treatment; a little knowlege is a dangerous thing.