Older kris with a nice blade

Sajen · 1st May 2010, 05:44 PM

Beautiful lamination!

Remembers to pamor from indonesian keris. Is there a sheat with the kris?

Battara · 1st May 2010, 06:48 PM

W W! Beautiful blade! Seems to be truly an older blade. Great lamination and etching. You are also right in that the engraving/stamping work had to have been done during the forging process or at least when the blade was still heated to be soft enough to be deeply impressed by stamping tools. What a great find! Congrats! (grumble, grumble, envy, envy..

).

Nirghosa · 1st May 2010, 08:47 PM

I need additional friends like yours!!

t_c · 2nd May 2010, 05:11 PM

Beautiful blade! Yeah, nice friend you have there to pass that along!

Maybe the the stampings can help with age if you could figure out what sort of machine the stamps came from. The three circles: Is it one round stamp used three times or a "three barreled" part? The later might make it a bit more unique, as far as machine parts go. Old typewriter parts come to mind...

I can't say I've ever seen a PI blade with stampings before. Interesting work and nice piece!

Tim Simmons · 2nd May 2010, 05:22 PM

It makes one wonder if there is any real significance to the so called eye lash mark seen on other Asian swords. These patterns being made up of an eye lash mark stamp. Was there a trade in decorative tool stamps? just as there is today.

kino · 2nd May 2010, 07:06 PM

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Remembers to pamor from indonesian keris. Is there a sheat with the kris?

Sajen, It does resemble Keris pamor. The scabbard is present but has damage to it. It's can be restored with some effort and time.

Battara, the kris came already polished and etched.

Someone had mentioned that a pocket watch gears could've been used to make the impressions, I highly doubt it, watch parts are very thin. However I have a Kampilan that has a watch gear for eyes.

VVV · 2nd May 2010, 08:36 PM

Thanks for sharing this interesting kris.
In other Muslim areas this motif would be an eyelash, a symbol to avert the evil eye.
I haven't seen it in this combination before but 5 (in your eyes) is the corresponding number for this purpose.
Yours has very nice pamor-like laminations. Usually the ones of this size has twistcore, according
to this old thread with several reference small sized kris.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5834
My guess is late 18th C.

Michael

1st May 2010, 05:44 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,212	Beautiful lamination! Remembers to pamor from indonesian keris. Is there a sheat with the kris?

1st May 2010, 06:48 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	W W! Beautiful blade! Seems to be truly an older blade. Great lamination and etching. You are also right in that the engraving/stamping work had to have been done during the forging process or at least when the blade was still heated to be soft enough to be deeply impressed by stamping tools. What a great find! Congrats! (grumble, grumble, envy, envy.. ).

1st May 2010, 08:47 PM	#3
Nirghosa Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 119	I need additional friends like yours!!

2nd May 2010, 05:11 PM	#4
t_c Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: ca, usa Posts: 92	Beautiful blade! Yeah, nice friend you have there to pass that along! Maybe the the stampings can help with age if you could figure out what sort of machine the stamps came from. The three circles: Is it one round stamp used three times or a "three barreled" part? The later might make it a bit more unique, as far as machine parts go. Old typewriter parts come to mind... I can't say I've ever seen a PI blade with stampings before. Interesting work and nice piece!

2nd May 2010, 05:22 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	It makes one wonder if there is any real significance to the so called eye lash mark seen on other Asian swords. These patterns being made up of an eye lash mark stamp. Was there a trade in decorative tool stamps? just as there is today.

2nd May 2010, 08:36 PM	#7
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks for sharing this interesting kris. In other Muslim areas this motif would be an eyelash, a symbol to avert the evil eye. I haven't seen it in this combination before but 5 (in your eyes) is the corresponding number for this purpose. Yours has very nice pamor-like laminations. Usually the ones of this size has twistcore, according to this old thread with several reference small sized kris. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5834 My guess is late 18th C. Michael