Middle-east dagger?

Tomik · 8th April 2006, 10:26 PM

Now since I am not very familiar with middle-east weapons I wonder if you could help to identify this.
The handle is most likely horn and the scabbard seems to be silver plated.
There are some repairs in the scabbard and blade fittings.
The blade weights exactly 300 grams and is 30 cm long, the hilt is another 12,5 cm so totally 42,5 long.
There is simple decorations in the scabbard and handle. The blade has a dull false edge and a single fuller.

Rick · 8th April 2006, 10:56 PM

A bichaq perhaps ?
Turkish , Caucasus ?

Emanuel · 9th April 2006, 12:13 AM

Could it be a Surmene knife without fullers?

Justin · 9th April 2006, 03:27 PM

Looks like a big Saldirma/Surmene knife from Turkey.Nice piece,I like the silver scabbard!

Valjhun · 9th April 2006, 05:20 PM

Nice one, worth having, Trabzon area short sword...

Emanuel · 9th April 2006, 05:53 PM

Tomik, could you post pictures of the sword in the background of your first picture as well? Is it a Tibetan sword as is being discussed on this thread? http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2178
Regards,
Manolo

Tomik · 9th April 2006, 10:05 PM

Thank you guys for the information, it would have taken me ages to find information about it by myself.
Any idea of the age of the piece?
The sword in the background is simple chinese short sword (a sort of an bazaar piece I might add, but neverthless another piece to learn from).
I bought these 2 pieces together in the auction, so this one was kind of suprise for me, a pleasant one I might add.
I have one tibetan sword though, allthough it is pretty uncertain whether its old or not, more likely a mismatch (something old, something new) like Philip Tom said to me on the piece (purely based on the pictures).

Tomik · 9th April 2006, 10:18 PM

Forget to put pictures on it (the tibetan sword).
I might add that in Chinese sword forums, it was said this is a modern piece (a fake). So the truth is somewhere between I would guess. Anyway nice piece which I personally like, real or not.

Here is few photos about it.

Valjhun · 9th April 2006, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomik

Any idea of the age of the piece?

Towards the end of the 19th century...

I'm adding a foto of his relatives

And here's the link to the related post: Surmene Trobzon

Tomik · 9th April 2006, 11:05 PM

Thank you Valjhun, you have nice pieces in your collection.

8th April 2006, 10:26 PM	#1
Tomik Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 7	Middle-east dagger? Now since I am not very familiar with middle-east weapons I wonder if you could help to identify this. The handle is most likely horn and the scabbard seems to be silver plated. There are some repairs in the scabbard and blade fittings. The blade weights exactly 300 grams and is 30 cm long, the hilt is another 12,5 cm so totally 42,5 long. There is simple decorations in the scabbard and handle. The blade has a dull false edge and a single fuller. Attached Images

9th April 2006, 10:18 PM	#8
Tomik Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 7	Forget to put pictures on it (the tibetan sword). I might add that in Chinese sword forums, it was said this is a modern piece (a fake). So the truth is somewhere between I would guess. Anyway nice piece which I personally like, real or not. Here is few photos about it. Attached Images

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8th April 2006, 10:56 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	A bichaq perhaps ? Turkish , Caucasus ?

9th April 2006, 12:13 AM	#3
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Could it be a Surmene knife without fullers?

9th April 2006, 03:27 PM	#4
Justin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 175	Looks like a big Saldirma/Surmene knife from Turkey.Nice piece,I like the silver scabbard!

9th April 2006, 05:20 PM	#5
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Nice one, worth having, Trabzon area short sword...

9th April 2006, 05:53 PM	#6
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Tomik, could you post pictures of the sword in the background of your first picture as well? Is it a Tibetan sword as is being discussed on this thread? http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2178 Regards, Manolo

9th April 2006, 10:05 PM	#7
Tomik Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 7	Thank you guys for the information, it would have taken me ages to find information about it by myself. Any idea of the age of the piece? The sword in the background is simple chinese short sword (a sort of an bazaar piece I might add, but neverthless another piece to learn from). I bought these 2 pieces together in the auction, so this one was kind of suprise for me, a pleasant one I might add. I have one tibetan sword though, allthough it is pretty uncertain whether its old or not, more likely a mismatch (something old, something new) like Philip Tom said to me on the piece (purely based on the pictures).

9th April 2006, 11:05 PM	#10
Tomik Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 7	Thank you Valjhun, you have nice pieces in your collection.