A Neapolitan miquelet pistol

Oliver Pinchot · 1st March 2022, 01:12 AM

This pistol just came to light, wanted to share it with the forum.
Larger than most I've seen at 33 cm long. Approximately 80 cal.
The engraving is fine, and the motifs are very unusual. Dated 1798 on the lockplate. Ramrod appears to be replaced.

Interested in thoughts about what inspired the decoration of the mounts? I will reserve my own opinions pending member responses.

Oliver Pinchot · 1st March 2022, 03:17 AM

The marks are inlaid silver and brass

Fernando K · 1st March 2022, 02:25 PM

Hello

Indeed, it is a pistol produced in Naples, in the style and decoration of Ripoll's "ball" pistols. Let us remember that at that time Spain dominated southern Italy. The fleur de lis punches and the Madrid cross and the punch with the horse are intended to imitate the Spanish punches. I do not find any relationship between the sculpted figures, only that it is more elaborate than what Spanish weapons usually have

Affectionately

Peter Andeweg · 1st March 2022, 08:57 PM

A very interesting piece. I was thinking of Spain with the typical Miquelet lock. The decoration reminds me of the Spanish colonies, such as native inhabitants from the Americas.
Similar figures can be seen on Tobacco jars from this period and before. The rocaille decoration relates to the fashion of the mid to late 18th century.

Great find!

Oliver Pinchot · 1st March 2022, 10:14 PM

Hi Peter, are you able to upload images of any of those tobacco jars? It would be interesting to compare, thanks.

corrado26 · 2nd March 2022, 08:42 AM

As a help to compare here are photos of a genuine Naples made pistol from the Real Fabbrica di Napoli. I think the pistol in question was made either in Spain or in America

Philip · 5th March 2022, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Andeweg

A very interesting piece. I was thinking of Spain with the typical Miquelet lock. The decoration reminds me of the Spanish colonies, such as native inhabitants from the Americas.
Similar figures can be seen on Tobacco jars from this period and before. The rocaille decoration relates to the fashion of the mid to late 18th century.

Great find!

I agree. The motifs strongly point to possible production in Latin America, if so this would be an historically and ethnographically more significant object than the typical Neapolitan pistol in Ripollesque stye.

Fernando K · 5th March 2022, 04:25 PM

HELLO EVERYONE
The fact that the appendix of the rake flange has a retaining pin is because the appendix is a cylindrical piece, which cannot be threaded, because the whole assembly cannot be rotated, because it interfered when rotating with the bowl (priming pan) The method of a round appendage is one of those used to fix the flange of the bowl to the platen, and that must be introduced transversally to its surface. Thus, the rake flange is fixed, in addition to the rake screw, by the cylindrical piece that is inserted into the plate and is fixed by the retaining pin.

sorry for the translator

Affectionately
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1st March 2022, 01:12 AM	#1
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 457	A Neapolitan miquelet pistol This pistol just came to light, wanted to share it with the forum. Larger than most I've seen at 33 cm long. Approximately 80 cal. The engraving is fine, and the motifs are very unusual. Dated 1798 on the lockplate. Ramrod appears to be replaced. Interested in thoughts about what inspired the decoration of the mounts? I will reserve my own opinions pending member responses. Attached Images

1st March 2022, 03:17 AM	#2
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 457	Neapolitan miquelet pistol The marks are inlaid silver and brass Attached Images Last edited by Oliver Pinchot; 1st March 2022 at 06:53 AM.

2nd March 2022, 08:42 AM	#6
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,207	As a help to compare here are photos of a genuine Naples made pistol from the Real Fabbrica di Napoli. I think the pistol in question was made either in Spain or in America Attached Images

1st March 2022, 02:25 PM	#3
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 669	Hello Indeed, it is a pistol produced in Naples, in the style and decoration of Ripoll's "ball" pistols. Let us remember that at that time Spain dominated southern Italy. The fleur de lis punches and the Madrid cross and the punch with the horse are intended to imitate the Spanish punches. I do not find any relationship between the sculpted figures, only that it is more elaborate than what Spanish weapons usually have Affectionately

1st March 2022, 08:57 PM	#4
Peter Andeweg Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: Vlissingen, Netherlands Posts: 71	A very interesting piece. I was thinking of Spain with the typical Miquelet lock. The decoration reminds me of the Spanish colonies, such as native inhabitants from the Americas. Similar figures can be seen on Tobacco jars from this period and before. The rocaille decoration relates to the fashion of the mid to late 18th century. Great find!

1st March 2022, 10:14 PM	#5
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 457	Hi Peter, are you able to upload images of any of those tobacco jars? It would be interesting to compare, thanks.

5th March 2022, 04:25 PM	#8
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 669	HELLO EVERYONE The fact that the appendix of the rake flange has a retaining pin is because the appendix is a cylindrical piece, which cannot be threaded, because the whole assembly cannot be rotated, because it interfered when rotating with the bowl (priming pan) The method of a round appendage is one of those used to fix the flange of the bowl to the platen, and that must be introduced transversally to its surface. Thus, the rake flange is fixed, in addition to the rake screw, by the cylindrical piece that is inserted into the plate and is fixed by the retaining pin. sorry for the translator Affectionately Más información sobre este texto de origenPara obtener más información sobre la traducción, se necesita el texto de origen Enviar comentarios Paneles laterales