kerislike object

sjors · 7th June 2008, 12:50 PM

This is not about a keris but more a kerislike object. Its origin was Surabaja or around Surabaja. It came in 1946 to the Netherlands (that's something I'm certain about).
It's text is part of the twelfth sura from the Quran. It's "woodwork" is very raw but that's exacly had it came to the Netherlands. I myself thinks that's some kind of Jimat, but I'm not sure.
Has anyone seen something like this before or recognizes it?
Thank you, Sjors

sjors · 7th June 2008, 06:59 PM

"It's "woodwork" is very raw but that's exacly how it came to the Netherlands" Sorry...
It's entire length is 18 cm (about 7 inches)

Rick · 8th June 2008, 12:24 AM

This looks like a mounted tombak of 3 luk .

sjors · 8th June 2008, 05:43 AM

I doubt that Rick, that must have been a tombak for very little people

The blades dimensions are 124 x 12 x 3 mm (about 5 x 0.5 x 0.12 Inch)

Henk · 8th June 2008, 09:20 AM

Such small mounted tombak do excist.

sjors · 8th June 2008, 01:08 PM

That small? Sorry, I didn't know that, I thought Rick was making a joke

I only knew about "normal" sized Tombak, like the one of my one...

Henk · 8th June 2008, 02:37 PM

Rick is sometimes joking, but that is very good recognizable. In discussing weapons he is mostly very serious.
I do own a tombak of that small size, it was said it is very old, but also in the size you just showed us.
Nice tombak by the way.

sjors · 8th June 2008, 02:52 PM

Sorry Rick, it wasn't my intention to insult you.

Rick · 8th June 2008, 03:51 PM

Please, no worries .

I looked at the base and saw a metuk-like feature there .

Probably made as a talisman , no ?

Henk · 8th June 2008, 08:14 PM

I think you're quite right Rick.

Sjors, I didn't wanted to correct you. I just ment that I thought Rick made the right hit.

ganjawulung · 9th June 2008, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

This looks like a mounted tombak of 3 luk .

I agree with Henk. Rick made the right hit on Sjor's "keris-like object". A mounted tombak, but with a little bit modification that the tombak looks like asymmetrical. (Though not every tombak is always symmetrical -- e.g. cis). The scabbard is like madurese "seken" (mounted tombak, with handy scabbard).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Please, no worries .

I looked at the base and saw a metuk-like feature there .

Probably made as a talisman , no ?

Agree too, based on the "rapal-like" arabic-etching on the blade. (But apologize me, I can not read those arabic writings..)

A. G. Maisey · 9th June 2008, 02:17 AM

Most tombak do have a metuk, but not all things with a metuk are tombak.

The pics are of an archaic knife, possibly an early wedung.

I have seen numerous examples of the type of blade under discussion. They seem to be particulary prevalent in East Jawa and the region to the west of Surabaya along the north coast. They are definitely talismans, and in most instances appear to have been produced from older pieces of wesi aji.

sjors · 9th June 2008, 06:30 AM

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... I can not read those arabic writings...

Dear Ganjawulung, Mr. E.Kon at the Leiden University made a translation for me:
A little part part was a problem because he couldn't read it but the main text is from the quoran ; Sura - 12 Joseph ( Yousuf): ..."O my father, I saw eleven planets, and the sun, and the moon; I saw them prostrating before me."

Mr. Maisey: it did originate from Surabaya

So it's a mounted tombak of 3 luk from Surabaya or the region to the west of Surabaya. Its purpose was/is a Jimat or talisman and it's highly possible that it's made from an older piece of wesi aji.

Gentlemen, (again) thank you very much for your help

7th June 2008, 12:50 PM	#1
sjors Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 68	kerislike object This is not about a keris but more a kerislike object. Its origin was Surabaja or around Surabaja. It came in 1946 to the Netherlands (that's something I'm certain about). It's text is part of the twelfth sura from the Quran. It's "woodwork" is very raw but that's exacly had it came to the Netherlands. I myself thinks that's some kind of Jimat, but I'm not sure. Has anyone seen something like this before or recognizes it? Thank you, Sjors Attached Images

7th June 2008, 06:59 PM	#2
sjors Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 68	sorry "It's "woodwork" is very raw but that's exacly how it came to the Netherlands" Sorry... It's entire length is 18 cm (about 7 inches)

8th June 2008, 01:08 PM	#6
sjors Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 68	small tombak That small? Sorry, I didn't know that, I thought Rick was making a joke I only knew about "normal" sized Tombak, like the one of my one... Attached Images

9th June 2008, 02:17 AM	#12
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	Most tombak do have a metuk, but not all things with a metuk are tombak. The pics are of an archaic knife, possibly an early wedung. I have seen numerous examples of the type of blade under discussion. They seem to be particulary prevalent in East Jawa and the region to the west of Surabaya along the north coast. They are definitely talismans, and in most instances appear to have been produced from older pieces of wesi aji. Attached Images

8th June 2008, 12:24 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	This looks like a mounted tombak of 3 luk .

8th June 2008, 05:43 AM	#4
sjors Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 68	I doubt that Rick, that must have been a tombak for very little people The blades dimensions are 124 x 12 x 3 mm (about 5 x 0.5 x 0.12 Inch)

8th June 2008, 09:20 AM	#5
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Such small mounted tombak do excist.

8th June 2008, 02:37 PM	#7
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Rick is sometimes joking, but that is very good recognizable. In discussing weapons he is mostly very serious. I do own a tombak of that small size, it was said it is very old, but also in the size you just showed us. Nice tombak by the way.

8th June 2008, 02:52 PM	#8
sjors Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 68	Sorry Rick, it wasn't my intention to insult you.

8th June 2008, 03:51 PM	#9
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Please, no worries . I looked at the base and saw a metuk-like feature there . Probably made as a talisman , no ?

8th June 2008, 08:14 PM	#10
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I think you're quite right Rick. Sjors, I didn't wanted to correct you. I just ment that I thought Rick made the right hit.