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Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 21st December 2015, 07:23 PM
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Posted By Pusaka
Your right, so I agree to disagree on this one...

Your right, so I agree to disagree on this one...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 21st December 2015, 04:51 AM
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David, from my point of view it is the Muslims...

David, from my point of view it is the Muslims who embraced pre Islamic internal practices in Indonesia that were Taoist and Vedic in origin. Muhammad was no yogi, you cant find these things in the...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 20th December 2015, 10:55 PM
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Posted By Pusaka
There is no aspect to kejawen or kabatinan that...

There is no aspect to kejawen or kabatinan that did not already exist in pre Islamic Indonesia, actually kejawen and kabatinan could easily exist without Islam but the opposite is not true ie the...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 20th December 2015, 09:46 PM
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Posted By Pusaka
It has its origins in pre Islamic Indonesia. It...

It has its origins in pre Islamic Indonesia. It is a melting pot of all those ideals but clearly Islam is the most recent addition. The Javanese did not need to wait for the coming of Islam to have a...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 20th December 2015, 08:55 PM
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Posted By Pusaka
Then I have to disagree they were studied in that...

Then I have to disagree they were studied in that period
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 20th December 2015, 08:22 PM
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Posted By Pusaka
Whilst I agree with J. O'Connor that smiting was...

Whilst I agree with J. O'Connor that smiting was used as an analogy of self transmutation through alchemical knowledge I disagree with the flavour he attributes to these alchemical teachings ie...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 20th December 2015, 08:09 PM
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Posted By Pusaka
However David if you knew the mythology you would...

However David if you knew the mythology you would know the first empu was responsible for creating not only keris but the keris was one of 15 weapons he made. Hence the reason why the smith is...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 20th December 2015, 03:53 PM
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Posted By Pusaka
The five pandavas are seen by some as...

The five pandavas are seen by some as representing a manifestation of the five elements, the five personality types in man and the five stages of life.

Indeed some schools teach that the refining...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 20th December 2015, 04:37 AM
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Posted By Pusaka
If the images at Candi Sukuh depict the ramayan...

If the images at Candi Sukuh depict the ramayan then it cant be Bhima or Ajuna because they are in the mahabharata (part of which is the Bhagavad-Gita)
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 20th December 2015, 04:25 AM
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Posted By Pusaka
Mythology is important because in ancient times...

Mythology is important because in ancient times they believed that to be real history and even today in Silat schools, even according to the historians of the karaton surakarta the first age of the...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 20th December 2015, 01:36 AM
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Posted By Pusaka
Yeah but mythology or legend is not history, that...

Yeah but mythology or legend is not history, that the smith of gods ramayadi made the first keris is obviously mythology.
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 20th December 2015, 01:33 AM
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Posted By Pusaka
I quickly read it now, was surprised the image I...

I quickly read it now, was surprised the image I posted above was not in it because the blade nearest the smith in the carving is very keris like.

Also is Arjuna or Bhima mentioned in the Ramayana?
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 19th December 2015, 08:40 PM
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Posted By Pusaka
"According to legend, Empu Ramadi around A.D. 230...

"According to legend, Empu Ramadi around A.D. 230 made the first kris. Early krises were leaf-shaped and were called pasopati, paso or pisau, meaning knife, and pati, meaning deadly. Antique krises...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 19th December 2015, 05:41 PM
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Posted By Pusaka
Candi Sukuh carving, keris mythology

"The scene depicted Bhima as the blacksmith on the left forging the metal, Ganesha in the center, and Arjuna on the right operating the piston bellows to blow air into the furnace. The wall behind...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 18th December 2015, 11:35 AM
Replies: 32
Views: 39,147
Posted By Pusaka
Nobody is born with the ability to feel the...

Nobody is born with the ability to feel the vibration in an empowered blade, you have to do a training technique In Silat its called rasa, the ability to feel with the heart. Just as the inner...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 17th December 2015, 11:32 PM
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Views: 39,147
Posted By Pusaka
It started as a thread about the mystical...

It started as a thread about the mystical properties ie mantra. That is a major aspect in keris too.



One guru I knew believed the same, he would hold a keris blade between his thumb and index...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 17th December 2015, 11:21 PM
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Posted By Pusaka
Silat is as old as the keris itself, therefore...

Silat is as old as the keris itself, therefore there are teachings regarding it that old too held by gurus.
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 17th December 2015, 01:21 PM
Replies: 32
Views: 39,147
Posted By Pusaka
It is impossible to look at an ancient keris and...

It is impossible to look at an ancient keris and know if the person who made it was an empu or not purely based on physical appearance. The technique to enliven a blade in its details is or was...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 16th December 2015, 09:57 PM
Replies: 32
Views: 39,147
Posted By Pusaka
I think however there are many of the older...

I think however there are many of the older Indonesians who will not consider a keris maker an empu unless he can give life to a blade, now the method that is followed to do that might have changed....
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 16th December 2015, 01:27 PM
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Views: 39,147
Posted By Pusaka
Thats exactly what my guru used to say however...

Thats exactly what my guru used to say however who was Indonesian although I would suspect that there would not be full agreement even among Indonesians as to what a keris is.
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 16th December 2015, 04:47 AM
Replies: 32
Views: 39,147
Posted By Pusaka
A "real" keris must then be a Keris hidup and not...

A "real" keris must then be a Keris hidup and not real must be a Keris mati :)
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 16th December 2015, 01:08 AM
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Views: 39,147
Posted By Pusaka
Interesting, if all that remains is tattered...

Interesting, if all that remains is tattered remnants it could be argued that a "real" keris has not been produced for some time?

It would follow that the only "real" keris today are antique ones
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 15th December 2015, 05:29 PM
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Views: 39,147
Posted By Pusaka
Mantras keris and empu

I have heard that empu will chant mantras over a keris blade to give it life. My question is how could a Muslim empu be chanting mantras of Hindu origin or was this practice changed in Muslim parts,...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 15th December 2015, 12:42 PM
Replies: 9
Views: 10,685
Posted By Pusaka
You can harden copper by alloying with arsenic,...

You can harden copper by alloying with arsenic, perhaps antimony also. One Silat teacher told me in olden days they would rub the blade against a poison frog so if someone got cut it would be fatal...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 15th December 2015, 01:39 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 10,685
Posted By Pusaka
hmmm...basically what we would call rose...

hmmm...basically what we would call rose gold/celtic gold then.
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