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But the Kampilan wrote the story .
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Lapu Lapu is shown with a Kampilan .
The sword of the Iranun pirates of Sulu . The favored sword for combat in Mindanao; ornate ones often carried by a royal retainer in a retinue; stuff like that . I'd rather go into a fight with a kampilan and or spear . Kris as a back up . Whatcha think ? ![]() |
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The kampilan has a single edge where a large battle kris is double edged and can cut either way. Another comparison is the viking long sax vs the viking double edged sword. Its all a matter of what your style of fighting is? Hack and chop kampilan vs cut and thrust battle kris the long straight bladed ones that is. Lew |
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I dunno...I haven't handled too many kampilans, but the ones i have handled just didn't thrill me like the kris. The kris seems sturdier to me as well, doubled edged as mentioned, etc. And i like the way it handled better.
I would want to go into battle with the kris, and a nice barong as a back-up... ![]() ![]() |
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I think thery're both slashing weapons guys .
![]() Kampilans have incredible tip speed; also properly made, the back edge can inflict a terrible wound . They must have been a heck of a lot easier to produce than the kris . ![]() Arming a war party ? Much less labor to produce . Try Kampilan for your next raid or ambush . ![]() |
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There seems to be so many more kris around than kampilan that in itself shows it was a more popular weapon. Kampilan are heavier and more awkward to swing and harder to recover than a kris and when used together with a shield a kris in my opinion would be the better of the two. Are kampilan blades pinned or anchored to the hilt as are the kris via the baca baca? If not the blade would be more prone to separating from the hilt after a many powerful blows against a shield or another weapon. I just find the kris more user friendly thats all ![]() Lew Last edited by LOUIEBLADES; 7th July 2008 at 08:04 PM. |
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Then, trying to lay hand on sword, he could draw it out but halfway, because he had been wounded in the arm with a bamboo spear. When the natives saw that, they all hurled themselves upon him. One of them wounded him on the left leg with a large cutlass, which resembles a scimitar, only being larger. Scimitar? Sounds more like a large pira to me and not a kamiplan ![]() Lew Last edited by LOUIEBLADES; 7th July 2008 at 11:03 PM. |
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Hello Lew,
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One thing which may speak for the kris (or barong) though is that these are personal weapons representing the status, wealth and manhood of any Moro warrior: Thus, these blades are bound to have more lore associated with them than a war sword from a Datu's arsenal which gets handed out when shit hits the fan... Of course, also kampilan can acquire a "personality" for protecting the weilder, taking many lives during war, or by being utilized for executions. Quote:
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I'm with Rick: These blades deserve more attention than they are usually getting. I for one would love to see more old examples and possibly "missing links" which may be able to lessen the gap between the Moro kampilan and the other klewang from Indonesia (some of the swords with large pommel from the outer islands seem to be related but often fitted with trade blades). Regards, Kai |
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Armor was for the rich guys .
I'd expect warriors would have no more than a shield . ![]() Against your average villager/slave raidee a most excellent sword; big and scary . The Sulu Sultanate depended on slave labor . The story is the history of the Moro peoples of the Philippines . The kampilan is the pen . ![]() |
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The resembles a scimitiar only being larger points to the KP. Granted I have not seen many Pira, but the ones I have seen tended to be smaller similiar to a navel cutlass rather then a scimitar only larger. |
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See Cato; pg. 48
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Lapu-lapu is often shown in statues holding a kampilan. I don't think from the accounts of the Magellan expedition survivors it is clear Lapu-lapu wielded a kampilan. He was from Cebu. Just thinking... perhaps he used a Visayan sword (tenegre?).
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If indeed Lapu-Lapu had used kampilan to kill Magellan, IMHO it doent deserve much recognition either because of the number of Spanish soldiers were too small comparatively, and were fighting in an unfamiliar territory for the first time
![]() I think the later part of battles in the southern Philippines against the Moros whom were synonimous to kris (sundang in Malay) and barong deserved more attention - thus the much credit to the kris. |
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Hi, Because probably the Sultan wears a Kris as symbol of his power ? The 17th century rebellon in the Sultanate of Brunei was halted because the Sultante of Sulu sent warriors to help his cousin. These warriors of Sama and Tausug only carries Kris, Barung and Budjak. |
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