Polish sword?

ariel · 8th April 2005, 04:43 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1
I do not think it is Polish. Looks like a reasonably new Indian/Persian item.
What do you think?

Jens Nordlunde · 8th April 2005, 06:13 PM

Yes it looks like that to me too

Jens

wolviex · 8th April 2005, 07:33 PM

First of all there is no way it could be hussar's sabre. I think it's more 19th century then 18th. Decoration could be Polish but it could be from any other country as well.

Regards

Rick · 8th April 2005, 10:14 PM

Hi Ariel , I don't mean to interrupt , but did you receive the Shashka pictures I emailed to you ?

Perkun · 8th April 2005, 10:19 PM

May be Polish made but I suspect is no more than 1 year old

ariel · 9th April 2005, 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Hi Ariel , I don't mean to interrupt , but did you receive the Shashka pictures I emailed to you ?

Yes, I did and many thanks!
Could you attach them to the thread about it?

Rick · 9th April 2005, 04:03 AM

Hi Ariel , you're very welcome ; I wanted to be sure that you had received them .
I'm not going to post them up as Artzi has promised us a full report with pictures when he receives it .

Radu Transylvanicus · 15th April 2005, 08:10 AM

If it is to criticise or discusse the details IMHO here they are:

The sword is uncharacteristically (but not impossibly ! ) flimsy for Eastearn European or Ottoman and would fall under the size specific to Indo-Persian notoriously thinner and smaller (that does not make them less lethal or their owners less of a man, alright

)
The decoration has pronounced and obvious Islamic motifs, more or less the thugra and okir types, executed in a manner that remind me of a Pan-Caucasian manner (or Arabic, darn it , that be...) HEY, RIVKIN, any thoughts ?
I dont really think thats Polish, not even Ukrainian, Ruthenian or Cossack, maybe Tartar ?
ALL THAT IF THE SWORD IS LIKE HUSSARIA PERKUN says: ONE YEAR OLD ! than it really doesnt matter anymore ...

Jim McDougall · 16th April 2005, 04:01 AM

This does look like a 20th century decorative piece that seems like Rajasthan work, and likely is relatively recent. The hilt resembles Afghan shamshirs, which are seen with wood hilts in the latter 19th century very similar. The chowk motif en suite with the blade panel is quite contrary to the earlier weapons that this is intended to represent. While a very attractive and decorative item, this piece really has little to do with the Eastern European hussar sabres of earlier centuries.

Radu.....good to see you back!...thought the UFO's got ya!!

Best regards,
Jim

Rivkin · 16th April 2005, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Radu Transylvanicus

HEY, RIVKIN, any thoughts ?

I'm afraid Ariel knows more about swords and shashkas than I do, but to me it's a modern piece, that even does not pretend to be old.

8th April 2005, 04:43 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Polish sword? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1 I do not think it is Polish. Looks like a reasonably new Indian/Persian item. What do you think?

8th April 2005, 10:14 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,318	Ariel Hi Ariel , I don't mean to interrupt , but did you receive the Shashka pictures I emailed to you ?

8th April 2005, 06:13 PM	#2
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Yes it looks like that to me too Jens

8th April 2005, 07:33 PM	#3
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	First of all there is no way it could be hussar's sabre. I think it's more 19th century then 18th. Decoration could be Polish but it could be from any other country as well. Regards

8th April 2005, 10:19 PM	#5
Perkun Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 45	May be Polish made but I suspect is no more than 1 year old

9th April 2005, 04:03 AM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,318	Hi Ariel , you're very welcome ; I wanted to be sure that you had received them . I'm not going to post them up as Artzi has promised us a full report with pictures when he receives it .

15th April 2005, 08:10 AM	#8
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	If it is to criticise or discusse the details IMHO here they are: The sword is uncharacteristically (but not impossibly ! ) flimsy for Eastearn European or Ottoman and would fall under the size specific to Indo-Persian notoriously thinner and smaller (that does not make them less lethal or their owners less of a man, alright ) The decoration has pronounced and obvious Islamic motifs, more or less the thugra and okir types, executed in a manner that remind me of a Pan-Caucasian manner (or Arabic, darn it , that be...) HEY, RIVKIN, any thoughts ? I dont really think thats Polish, not even Ukrainian, Ruthenian or Cossack, maybe Tartar ? ALL THAT IF THE SWORD IS LIKE HUSSARIA PERKUN says: ONE YEAR OLD ! than it really doesnt matter anymore ...

16th April 2005, 04:01 AM	#9
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,060	This does look like a 20th century decorative piece that seems like Rajasthan work, and likely is relatively recent. The hilt resembles Afghan shamshirs, which are seen with wood hilts in the latter 19th century very similar. The chowk motif en suite with the blade panel is quite contrary to the earlier weapons that this is intended to represent. While a very attractive and decorative item, this piece really has little to do with the Eastern European hussar sabres of earlier centuries. Radu.....good to see you back!...thought the UFO's got ya!! Best regards, Jim