Dhapurs and their names

jagabuwana · 20th May 2024, 06:42 AM

How does a dhapur get its name?

Relatedly, is there a relationship between the name of the dhapur and the kerises physical form, or with the tuah of the dhapur?

I suspect this might differ on a case-by-case basis, so I'll throw out some examples to get the ball rolling to see if anyone can offer a meaning or reason behind the given name.

Dhapur tilam upih (noun) - translated as "bed made of the leaf sheaths of the areca palm"
Pasupati (proper noun) - an incarnation of Shiva
Jangkung (adjective) - tall or langky person, or Robson also has another definition of "to guard from afar, watch from a distance/"

Do feel free to offer any others.

JustYS · 20th May 2024, 11:43 AM

Hi Jagabuwana,

Interesting subject.

I’ll play with my limited knowledge.

Dhapur Karna Tinanding.

Karna Tinanding is an act in Mahabharata story depicting a duel between Karna and Arjuna.

Karna was born with golden earrings, hence his name which means ear.

Probably that’s why Dhapur Karna Tinanding has twin Kembang Kacang.

A. G. Maisey · 20th May 2024, 01:20 PM

Brojol > lower on one side than on the other side.

Well --- it is, isn't it?

its a keris.

For me, the real question is who gives/gave a dhapur the name, the maker? the person for whom made? public opinion?

We'll never know I guess, but half a dozen dictionaries and a cold, wet winter might produce a lot of possible explanations of names.

That then opens up other possibilities:- noble explanations? what dialect? is the name found in Kawi?

This is a research project for somebody, maybe another degree in the results.

Then we have all the Little Red Herrings.

In Old Javanese we have "pasupata", & we also have "pasupati".

Pasupati is from the Sanskrit, & it means "lord of creatures" & the name actually refers to Rudra, who later developed into Siwa.

However, pasupata has a couple of meanings in Old Javanese, it can refer to a follower of Rudra/Siwa, & it was also the name (in Javanese) of the pashupatastra (astra means "weapon" so> "pashupat" weapon) that Siwa gave to Arjuna.

Now, this might be pretty inconvenient if one happens to be a philosopher, because it then causes one to consider the nature of the weapon that was in fact given to Arjuna, a weapon that probably Arjuna never used, perhaps because it was so powerful.

Cold, wet, winter.

jagabuwana · 3rd June 2024, 01:57 AM

Thank you JustYS and Alan for your thoughtful responses.

As usual I (gratefully) get more than I bargain for.

20th May 2024, 06:42 AM	#1
jagabuwana Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 292	Dhapurs and their names How does a dhapur get its name? Relatedly, is there a relationship between the name of the dhapur and the kerises physical form, or with the tuah of the dhapur? I suspect this might differ on a case-by-case basis, so I'll throw out some examples to get the ball rolling to see if anyone can offer a meaning or reason behind the given name. Dhapur tilam upih (noun) - translated as "bed made of the leaf sheaths of the areca palm" Pasupati (proper noun) - an incarnation of Shiva Jangkung (adjective) - tall or langky person, or Robson also has another definition of "to guard from afar, watch from a distance/" Do feel free to offer any others.

20th May 2024, 01:20 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Brojol > lower on one side than on the other side. Well --- it is, isn't it? its a keris. For me, the real question is who gives/gave a dhapur the name, the maker? the person for whom made? public opinion? We'll never know I guess, but half a dozen dictionaries and a cold, wet winter might produce a lot of possible explanations of names. That then opens up other possibilities:- noble explanations? what dialect? is the name found in Kawi? This is a research project for somebody, maybe another degree in the results. Then we have all the Little Red Herrings. In Old Javanese we have "pasupata", & we also have "pasupati". Pasupati is from the Sanskrit, & it means "lord of creatures" & the name actually refers to Rudra, who later developed into Siwa. However, pasupata has a couple of meanings in Old Javanese, it can refer to a follower of Rudra/Siwa, & it was also the name (in Javanese) of the pashupatastra (astra means "weapon" so> "pashupat" weapon) that Siwa gave to Arjuna. Now, this might be pretty inconvenient if one happens to be a philosopher, because it then causes one to consider the nature of the weapon that was in fact given to Arjuna, a weapon that probably Arjuna never used, perhaps because it was so powerful. Cold, wet, winter. Last edited by A. G. Maisey; 20th May 2024 at 02:06 PM.

20th May 2024, 11:43 AM	#2
JustYS Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 146	Hi Jagabuwana, Interesting subject. I’ll play with my limited knowledge. Dhapur Karna Tinanding. Karna Tinanding is an act in Mahabharata story depicting a duel between Karna and Arjuna. Karna was born with golden earrings, hence his name which means ear. Probably that’s why Dhapur Karna Tinanding has twin Kembang Kacang.

3rd June 2024, 01:57 AM	#4
jagabuwana Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 292	Thank you JustYS and Alan for your thoughtful responses. As usual I (gratefully) get more than I bargain for.