Rapier pendant, Western Europe (Italy? or maybe Poland), 1570-90

messia · 25th May 2022, 08:22 PM

Hi all. I would like to show you a very rare antique pendant for a 16th rapier.
Maybe you have information about the provenance of this rapier pendant?
At first it was thought that it was a Polish rapier pendant, but one expert from the auction said that I think it is an Italian rapier pendant that may have been in the collection of the famous collector Spitzer.

fernando · 26th May 2022, 10:54 AM

Precious item, messia.
But links to actives sales not allowed.

messia · 26th May 2022, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by fernando

Precious item, messia.
But links to actives sales not allowed.

I'm sorry. did not know this, and a link to YouTube Can? video review of this item?

fernando · 26th May 2022, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by messia

I'm sorry. did not know this,..

You knew if you have read the rules

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YouTube is fine; no links to active sales there.

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Jim McDougall · 28th May 2022, 01:24 PM

This is most interesting! I must admit I have never heard of a 'rapier pendant' and would like to know more about this. Beyond that, the use of the rapier in Poland seems pretty esoteric, though of course obviously there must have been some degree of its presence.

fernando · 28th May 2022, 01:49 PM

Jim, you will find some simple examples HERE.
But i know of a high end one in one of these well known books; just don't remember which.

fernando · 28th May 2022, 02:50 PM

Some illustration ...

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fernando · 28th May 2022, 03:18 PM

A high end one circa 1570; Italian ... not Pole

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(Courtesy myArmoury).

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Jim McDougall · 28th May 2022, 11:38 PM

Thanks very much Fernando....I knew what the hanging contraption was but did not recognize this as such, and the term 'pendant' threw me a bit. These are incredibly attractive, and as rapiers are beautiful in their own right, these colorful additions really take the ensemble over the top. Very nice!

fernando · 29th May 2022, 11:05 AM

Jim, i would bet the term pendant is out of (this) context. The word is a galicism from the Latin 'pendere' = pending and, as i always heard of, is only used for jewelery items (necklesses) pending from the neck, or for naming pairs of equal or similar objects. So i assume the implement posted by messia is a 'frog' (rather than a hanger ?), which we call over here 'talim'... or 'talabarte'.

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25th May 2022, 08:22 PM	#1
messia Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 31	Rapier pendant, Western Europe (Italy? or maybe Poland), 1570-90 Hi all. I would like to show you a very rare antique pendant for a 16th rapier. Maybe you have information about the provenance of this rapier pendant? At first it was thought that it was a Polish rapier pendant, but one expert from the auction said that I think it is an Italian rapier pendant that may have been in the collection of the famous collector Spitzer. Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 26th May 2022 at 10:53 AM.

28th May 2022, 02:50 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Some illustration ... . Attached Images

28th May 2022, 03:18 PM	#8
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	A high end one circa 1570; Italian ... not Pole . (Courtesy myArmoury). . Attached Images

26th May 2022, 10:54 AM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Precious item, messia. But links to actives sales not allowed.

28th May 2022, 01:24 PM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,100	This is most interesting! I must admit I have never heard of a 'rapier pendant' and would like to know more about this. Beyond that, the use of the rapier in Poland seems pretty esoteric, though of course obviously there must have been some degree of its presence.

28th May 2022, 01:49 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Jim, you will find some simple examples HERE. But i know of a high end one in one of these well known books; just don't remember which.

28th May 2022, 11:38 PM	#9
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,100	Thanks very much Fernando....I knew what the hanging contraption was but did not recognize this as such, and the term 'pendant' threw me a bit. These are incredibly attractive, and as rapiers are beautiful in their own right, these colorful additions really take the ensemble over the top. Very nice!

29th May 2022, 11:05 AM	#10
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Jim, i would bet the term pendant is out of (this) context. The word is a galicism from the Latin 'pendere' = pending and, as i always heard of, is only used for jewelery items (necklesses) pending from the neck, or for naming pairs of equal or similar objects. So i assume the implement posted by messia is a 'frog' (rather than a hanger ?), which we call over here 'talim'... or 'talabarte'. .