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I have had this sosun patta/kaati for some time now, and there is a very interesting stamp on the blade. It is clearly european, i think it might be genoan from the research Ive done but not entirely sure. If someone has any info on who the maker could be or anything of that sort plz let me know. Thanks!
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If you turn upside down your photo and look at this thread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=fringia You should get a lot of hapiness if not satisfaction. Kubur |
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Kubur is correct: turn it upside down.
The only letter I can be reasonably certain about is the first one: F. Ferrara? Fringia ? But the rest makes no sense to me. Somehow I do not think the blade is an European import. Its general contour looks like Kirich or sossun pata,which would strongly suggest local production. My guess it is Indian with spurious European mark. There were tons of them in India, Caucasus, N. Africa,- all the largest markets for trade blades that were highly monetarily valued in the areas of their destination. Local bladesmiths were not different from contemporary SE Asian producers of Versace and Dolce&Gabbana purses. Good sword. I’d love to have it. |
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It is my impression that this is plausibly a European blade which probably came from Styrian context. The reason this marking has 'Genoan' character is that these centers were highly influenced by Genoan traders who brought their weapons into various entrepots.
However, for Indian makers, their 'interpretations' usually were augmented with much simpler marks, most commonly the 'sickle' (paired and dentated arcs) mark. This one is far too detailed following the conventions of Styrian marking in my opinion. The history of the FRINGIA markings is intriguing, and carries back to the 16th century in Eastern Europe and the Holy Roman Empire. This blade has some character of the varied 'dusagge' type swords which were used in these regions from those early times, but probably is much later. These markings with the Fringia and similar terms or words which seem most likely acronyms were widely copied in these configurations, but in European contexts. The blade seems well worn as would indicate a great deal of profile alteration from extensive 'work'. |
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I forgot to add this plate of the FRINGIA, FRINDIA etc markings on European blades which reveal the wide variation and deviation which occurred in using them. The breakdown in lettering in this example has only the F legible however the placement of the dentated arc and triple dots etc, follow the European conventions suggesting it is quite probably European.
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Oh Im sorry about that.
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Thank you Victrix
![]() As noted, heavy polishing does take is toll over many years, and a high polish was always favored on blades as well as dramatic sharpness of course. The plate I posted was to illustrate some of the many variations of assemblages of marks and letters used in these groupings. While in certain cases, the name GENOA can be seen, however most of the other letter groups seem almost certainly acrostics, whose meanings have been widely debated over many years. |
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