Russian Navy officer sword with the Order of St. Ann

lastwarIP · 11th April 2018, 11:53 AM

Hello, I have Russian sword for navy officers with a miniature of the Order of St. Ann of the 4th class. Russia, model 1914. With a scabbard.

Basic technical data:
Overall length with the scabbard.........................413 mm
Overall length without the scabbard....................390 mm
Length of the blade. ...........................................287 mm
Width of the blade............................................. ...17 mm
Span of the guard (cross bar).................................77 mm
Length of the scabbard.........................................3 05 mm
Please can You help me determine the historical value. Thank You!

salsan · 12th April 2018, 01:46 PM

Dear lastwar IP, unfortunately, this subject does not represent historical value. It's a fake copy.
Alex

fernando · 12th April 2018, 02:52 PM

Welcome to the forum, lastwarIP.

Let's just call it a copy or a replica, Alex. Fake would be a strong word in this case; certainly was not made to pretend to be genuine, to deceive possible buyers.

salsan · 12th April 2018, 03:15 PM

I agree with you Fernando, this dirk is just a copy.

lastwarIP · 12th April 2018, 08:06 PM

Hi friends! Please let me know , why You think that it is only replica? Thank You

ariel · 13th April 2018, 04:11 AM

Well, whether it is a copy, a replica or a fake, it is still “not genuine”.
The distinction lies in the intent of the seller, and we have no way of guessing it.
So, just not to be rude, we may limit ourselves to the mildest possible term.

“Copy” does the job well, IMHO.

fernando · 13th April 2018, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

... Well, whether it is a copy, a replica or a fake, it is still “not genuine”...The distinction lies in the intent of the seller, and we have no way of guessing it.

Neither such context was expressed, so we do well in dropping it

.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

... So, just not to be rude, we may limit ourselves to the mildest possible term...

That was the idea

11th April 2018, 11:53 AM	#1
lastwarIP Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 4	Russian Navy officer sword with the Order of St. Ann Hello, I have Russian sword for navy officers with a miniature of the Order of St. Ann of the 4th class. Russia, model 1914. With a scabbard. Basic technical data: Overall length with the scabbard.........................413 mm Overall length without the scabbard....................390 mm Length of the blade. ...........................................287 mm Width of the blade............................................. ...17 mm Span of the guard (cross bar).................................77 mm Length of the scabbard.........................................3 05 mm Please can You help me determine the historical value. Thank You! Attached Images

12th April 2018, 01:46 PM	#2
salsan Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 18	Dear lastwar IP, unfortunately, this subject does not represent historical value. It's a fake copy. Alex

12th April 2018, 02:52 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Welcome to the forum, lastwarIP. Let's just call it a copy or a replica, Alex. Fake would be a strong word in this case; certainly was not made to pretend to be genuine, to deceive possible buyers.

12th April 2018, 03:15 PM	#4
salsan Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 18	I agree with you Fernando, this dirk is just a copy.

12th April 2018, 08:06 PM	#5
lastwarIP Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 4	Hi friends! Please let me know , why You think that it is only replica? Thank You

13th April 2018, 04:11 AM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Well, whether it is a copy, a replica or a fake, it is still “not genuine”. The distinction lies in the intent of the seller, and we have no way of guessing it. So, just not to be rude, we may limit ourselves to the mildest possible term. “Copy” does the job well, IMHO.