Rare Article on Malaysian Weapons

B.I · 15th January 2006, 02:54 PM

i am assuming this is a rare article, or at least its one i had not heard of before. its not directly my field, but the article does cover subjects of interest to me.

Malaysian Weapons in Arabic Literature by S.Q.Fatima.

its very interesting, and delves into early arabic sources. i havent read it properly as yet, as i bumbled on to it whilst looking for something else. its 30 pages long (includng exensive notes) and i think it was written in a journal in the 1970s.
it covers trading routes between malalsia and islam and translates some very early sources.
is anyone familiar with this at all?

Alam Shah · 15th January 2006, 03:01 PM

Hi B.I, I'm interest in the literature. If you could point me to the right direction, I'll be grateful.

nechesh · 15th January 2006, 05:14 PM

Well that's a tease B.I.
Where do we mere mortals get a hold of this article?

B.I · 15th January 2006, 11:01 PM

sorry, i didnt mean to tease.
i had access to some source material from a noted academic/author and found this article amongst others. it was already a photostat, so i have no idea where it came from. it was with other very interesting articles from various volumes of 'journal for the history of arabic science' published in the 1970s so maybe this was the source of this particular article. as i said, i havent read it yet, so cant offer any more info as yet. i do think its quite intriguing. i think it would extremely hard to find anywhere (i guess)
i have it on my camera but it needs downloading and cleaning up, which i will do. if anyone is interested in having this, please PM me your email address. its 30 pages long, so when i have time to do this, and a number of email addresses, i will batch mail them on. reckon it may take a little while as january is chaos for the english self employed that leave their accounts until last minute!!

B.I · 16th January 2006, 12:03 AM

i just had a message from my friend whose library i found this in. it was from a journal called 'islamic studies', printed in 1964

RomaRana · 16th January 2006, 04:20 AM

In many instances it really pays off to be a member of a university library with www.jstor.org access. I find more obscure journal articles then I can count, from beadwork to weapons. When I get a chance I'll see if I can find that one. Just about every academic journal is available on the server.

ariel · 16th January 2006, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RomaRana

In many instances it really pays off to be a member of a university library with www.jstor.org access. I find more obscure journal articles then I can count, from beadwork to weapons. When I get a chance I'll see if I can find that one. Just about every academic journal is available on the server.

Highly unlikely if the issue is older than ~ 1995.

RomaRana · 16th January 2006, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Highly unlikely if the issue is older than ~ 1995.

Just reading a printout of various historical journals I have and the dates they have on the site.

for instance the american historical review is everything from 1895-1999

Ethnohistory 1954-1999

Journal of Negro History 1916-2001

I believe Jstor is supposed to replace the microfilm system.

Ian · 16th January 2006, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RomaRana

In many instances it really pays off to be a member of a university library with www.jstor.org access. I find more obscure journal articles then I can count, from beadwork to weapons. When I get a chance I'll see if I can find that one. Just about every academic journal is available on the server.

RomaRana:

No success searching the site you mention. I would be interested in a copy of the article in printed or PDf format if you get around to scanning it.

Some time ago I made an article availble for the cost of the postage and people seemed very willing to pay a small amount to receive it. You might think about recovering any costs you incur in a similar manner.

Ian.

RomaRana · 16th January 2006, 10:11 PM

I did not find the article yet but I found a plethora of other useful articles and quite frankly I found so much that I got tired of looking. The S. Q. Fatima paper was not on Jstor but there about 20 other databases I have to search (some of which I do not even know how to use yet).

If you want me to post some more samples I would be happy to.

Note the links will not work unless you have Jstor approval.

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The Origin of Indonesian "Pamor"
J. P. Frankel
Technology and Culture > Vol. 4, No. 1 (Winter, 1963), pp. 14-21
Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=004...3E2.0.CO%3B2-5
NOTE: This article contains high-quality images.
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Review: [untitled]
Author(s) of Review: J. H. Hutton
Reviewed Work(s): Keris and Other Malay Weapons by G. B. Gardner
Folklore > Vol. 51, No. 3 (Sep., 1940), pp. 232-233
Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=001...3E2.0.CO%3B2-1
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Notes on Damascene Steel and Pamor
Hans E. Wulff
Technology and Culture > Vol. 6, No. 4 (Autumn, 1965), pp. 627-629
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The Early Metal Ages of Indonesia
Robert Heine-Geldern
American Anthropologist > New Series, Vol. 62, No. 2 (Apr., 1960), pp. 330-334
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Review: [untitled]
Author(s) of Review: Cyril Stanley Smith
Reviewed Work(s): The World of the Javanese Keris by Garrett Solyom; Bronwen Solyom
Technology and Culture > Vol. 21, No. 2 (Apr., 1980), pp. 233-235
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21% The George C. Stone Bequest: Chinese and Malayan Arms and Armor
Stephen V. Grancsay
The Metropolitan Museum of Art Bulletin > Vol. 32, No. 6 (Jun., 1937), pp. 143-148
Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=002...3E2.0.CO%3B2-2
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Iron Working as Spiritual Inquiry in the Indonesian Archipelago
Stanley J. O'Connor
History of Religions > Vol. 14, No. 3 (Feb., 1975), pp. 173-190
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Notes on Malay Metal-Work
Walter Rosenhain
The Journal of the Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland > Vol. 31 (Jan., 1901), pp. 161-166
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77. The "Kingfisher" Type of Kris
H. Louis
The Journal of the Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland > Vol. 30 (1900), pp. 78-79
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The Use of Mercury in Metal Ritual Objects as a Symbol of Siva
F. E. Treloar
Artibus Asiae > Vol. 34, No. 2/3 (1972), pp. 232-240
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A Provisional Classification of the Swords of the Sarawak Tribes
R. Shelford
The Journal of the Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland > Vol. 31 (Jan., 1901), pp. 219-228
Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=095...3E2.0.CO%3B2-U
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Ian · 17th January 2006, 05:23 AM

RomaRana:

Please keep posting until your tired of doing so.

Ian.

B.I · 17th January 2006, 01:25 PM

will send them this week (before weekend) so anyone else interested, please let me know as soon as possible. i will do it all in one go but dont want to keep doing it as my server is slow with images, and there are many of them.

MABAGANI · 17th January 2006, 03:09 PM

Count me in, thanks.

B.I · 17th January 2006, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MABAGANI

Count me in, thanks.

hi mabagani,
please either email or PM me your email address.

Marc · 17th January 2006, 04:08 PM

I would like it, also, if possible.
Thank you.

Alam Shah · 18th January 2006, 08:53 AM

B.I., I've already PMed with no response. Just to be clear...count me in (again).

Thank you for responding...

Raja Muda · 18th January 2006, 09:36 AM

Forget me not. It would be interesting to share this with the other Malaysian collectors.

Bill · 18th January 2006, 10:39 PM

I already PM you also, Thanks. Please put title, so it stands out.

RobT · 19th January 2006, 02:48 AM

Hi,
I would also like to get this material.
Sincerely,
RobT

Battara · 20th January 2006, 02:38 AM

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Andrew · 20th January 2006, 04:46 AM

Hi Brian. One for me, as well, please.

B.I · 20th January 2006, 10:33 AM

hi andrew,
i was going to send it to you anyway, whether you were interested or not :-)

rob t and battara - please send your email addresses. i will try to do it later today, as i am away for the weekend.

B.I · 20th January 2006, 06:51 PM

hi,
the article has been sent to everyone that sent me their email addresses. i sent 6 emails, each with 5 images and totaling just over 6mb. if you havent recieved it then it may have bounced back because of the size (surely not in this day and age).
i hope it is of some use, and i look forward to reading any potential post that it may provoke.

ariel · 20th January 2006, 06:54 PM

I have PM-ed you already, but "forget-me-not", please!

B.I · 20th January 2006, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

I have PM-ed you already, but "forget-me-not", please!

i think yours was the first on the list. hopefully you should be reading it by now.

wolviex · 20th January 2006, 07:28 PM

I already have this article in my inbox

Thank you very much!

nechesh · 20th January 2006, 08:24 PM

Brian, as i expressed in my e-mail to you, YOU ROCK DUDE! I look forward to reading these when i get home. Thanks again.

Bill · 21st January 2006, 05:15 AM

Thanks, received, I'm sure it was a lot of work.

MABAGANI · 21st January 2006, 06:55 AM

Thanks B.I., appreciate it...

MABAGANI · 21st January 2006, 08:08 AM

That was a fantastic read, much to digest so I need to print and reread several times. Reference is great for the previous thread on keris to kris evolution, and everything from early trade, metal, silat, swords, etc. in Southeast Asia.

15th January 2006, 02:54 PM	#1
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	Rare Article on Malaysian Weapons i am assuming this is a rare article, or at least its one i had not heard of before. its not directly my field, but the article does cover subjects of interest to me. Malaysian Weapons in Arabic Literature by S.Q.Fatima. its very interesting, and delves into early arabic sources. i havent read it properly as yet, as i bumbled on to it whilst looking for something else. its 30 pages long (includng exensive notes) and i think it was written in a journal in the 1970s. it covers trading routes between malalsia and islam and translates some very early sources. is anyone familiar with this at all?

16th January 2006, 10:11 PM	#10
RomaRana Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 58	I did not find the article yet but I found a plethora of other useful articles and quite frankly I found so much that I got tired of looking. The S. Q. Fatima paper was not on Jstor but there about 20 other databases I have to search (some of which I do not even know how to use yet). If you want me to post some more samples I would be happy to. Note the links will not work unless you have Jstor approval. -------------------------------------------------------------- The Origin of Indonesian "Pamor" J. P. Frankel Technology and Culture > Vol. 4, No. 1 (Winter, 1963), pp. 14-21 Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=004...3E2.0.CO%3B2-5 NOTE: This article contains high-quality images. Citation \| Page of First Match \| Print \| Download \| Save Citation ----------------------------------------------------------------- Review: [untitled] Author(s) of Review: J. H. Hutton Reviewed Work(s): Keris and Other Malay Weapons by G. B. Gardner Folklore > Vol. 51, No. 3 (Sep., 1940), pp. 232-233 Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=001...3E2.0.CO%3B2-1 Citation \| Page of First Match \| Print \| Download \| Save Citation --------------------------------------------------------------- Notes on Damascene Steel and Pamor Hans E. Wulff Technology and Culture > Vol. 6, No. 4 (Autumn, 1965), pp. 627-629 Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=004...3E2.0.CO%3B2-R Citation \| Page of First Match \| Print \| Download \| Save Citation -------------------------------------------------------------- The Early Metal Ages of Indonesia Robert Heine-Geldern American Anthropologist > New Series, Vol. 62, No. 2 (Apr., 1960), pp. 330-334 Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=000...3E2.0.CO%3B2-G Citation \| Page of First Match \| Print \| Download \| Save Citation ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Review: [untitled] Author(s) of Review: Cyril Stanley Smith Reviewed Work(s): The World of the Javanese Keris by Garrett Solyom; Bronwen Solyom Technology and Culture > Vol. 21, No. 2 (Apr., 1980), pp. 233-235 Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=004...3E2.0.CO%3B2-Q Citation \| Page of First Match \| Print \| Download \| Save Citation -------------------------------------------------------------------- 21% The George C. Stone Bequest: Chinese and Malayan Arms and Armor Stephen V. Grancsay The Metropolitan Museum of Art Bulletin > Vol. 32, No. 6 (Jun., 1937), pp. 143-148 Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=002...3E2.0.CO%3B2-2 NOTE: This article contains high-quality images. Citation \| Page of First Match \| Print \| Download \| Save Citation ------------------------------------------------------------------- Iron Working as Spiritual Inquiry in the Indonesian Archipelago Stanley J. O'Connor History of Religions > Vol. 14, No. 3 (Feb., 1975), pp. 173-190 Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=001...3E2.0.CO%3B2-O Citation \| Page of First Match \| Print \| Download \| Save Citation -------------------------------------------------------------------- Notes on Malay Metal-Work Walter Rosenhain The Journal of the Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland > Vol. 31 (Jan., 1901), pp. 161-166 Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=095...3E2.0.CO%3B2-C NOTE: This article contains high-quality images. Citation \| Page of First Match \| Print \| Download \| Save Citation -------------------------------------------------------------------- 77. The "Kingfisher" Type of Kris H. Louis The Journal of the Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland > Vol. 30 (1900), pp. 78-79 Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=095...3E2.0.CO%3B2-K NOTE: This article contains high-quality images. Citation \| Page of First Match \| Print \| Download \| Save Citation ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Use of Mercury in Metal Ritual Objects as a Symbol of Siva F. E. Treloar Artibus Asiae > Vol. 34, No. 2/3 (1972), pp. 232-240 Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=000...3E2.0.CO%3B2-R NOTE: This article contains high-quality images. Citation \| Page of First Match \| Print \| Download \| Save Citation ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A Provisional Classification of the Swords of the Sarawak Tribes R. Shelford The Journal of the Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland > Vol. 31 (Jan., 1901), pp. 219-228 Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=095...3E2.0.CO%3B2-U NOTE: This article contains high-quality images. Citation \| Page of First Match \| Print \| Download \| Save Citation Last edited by RomaRana; 16th January 2006 at 10:23 PM.

18th January 2006, 08:53 AM	#16
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	B.I., I've already PMed with no response. Just to be clear...count me in (again). Thank you for responding... Last edited by Alam Shah; 18th January 2006 at 10:33 AM. Reason: response received...

18th January 2006, 09:36 AM	#17
Raja Muda Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 100	Request for Article Forget me not. It would be interesting to share this with the other Malaysian collectors.

19th January 2006, 02:48 AM	#19
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 488	Me too Hi, I would also like to get this material. Sincerely, RobT

15th January 2006, 03:01 PM	#2
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Hi B.I, I'm interest in the literature. If you could point me to the right direction, I'll be grateful.

15th January 2006, 05:14 PM	#3
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Well that's a tease B.I. Where do we mere mortals get a hold of this article?

15th January 2006, 11:01 PM	#4
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	sorry, i didnt mean to tease. i had access to some source material from a noted academic/author and found this article amongst others. it was already a photostat, so i have no idea where it came from. it was with other very interesting articles from various volumes of 'journal for the history of arabic science' published in the 1970s so maybe this was the source of this particular article. as i said, i havent read it yet, so cant offer any more info as yet. i do think its quite intriguing. i think it would extremely hard to find anywhere (i guess) i have it on my camera but it needs downloading and cleaning up, which i will do. if anyone is interested in having this, please PM me your email address. its 30 pages long, so when i have time to do this, and a number of email addresses, i will batch mail them on. reckon it may take a little while as january is chaos for the english self employed that leave their accounts until last minute!!

16th January 2006, 12:03 AM	#5
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	i just had a message from my friend whose library i found this in. it was from a journal called 'islamic studies', printed in 1964

16th January 2006, 04:20 AM	#6
RomaRana Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 58	In many instances it really pays off to be a member of a university library with www.jstor.org access. I find more obscure journal articles then I can count, from beadwork to weapons. When I get a chance I'll see if I can find that one. Just about every academic journal is available on the server.

17th January 2006, 05:23 AM	#11
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,198	RomaRana: Please keep posting until your tired of doing so. Ian.

17th January 2006, 01:25 PM	#12
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	will send them this week (before weekend) so anyone else interested, please let me know as soon as possible. i will do it all in one go but dont want to keep doing it as my server is slow with images, and there are many of them.

17th January 2006, 03:09 PM	#13
MABAGANI Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 221	Count me in, thanks.

17th January 2006, 04:08 PM	#15
Marc Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Madrid / Barcelona Posts: 256	I would like it, also, if possible. Thank you.

18th January 2006, 10:39 PM	#18
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	I already PM you also, Thanks. Please put title, so it stands out.

20th January 2006, 02:38 AM	#20
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	O O, O O - Me t , Me t !

20th January 2006, 04:46 AM	#21
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Hi Brian. One for me, as well, please.

20th January 2006, 10:33 AM	#22
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	hi andrew, i was going to send it to you anyway, whether you were interested or not :-) rob t and battara - please send your email addresses. i will try to do it later today, as i am away for the weekend.

20th January 2006, 06:51 PM	#23
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	hi, the article has been sent to everyone that sent me their email addresses. i sent 6 emails, each with 5 images and totaling just over 6mb. if you havent recieved it then it may have bounced back because of the size (surely not in this day and age). i hope it is of some use, and i look forward to reading any potential post that it may provoke.

20th January 2006, 06:54 PM	#24
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I have PM-ed you already, but "forget-me-not", please!

20th January 2006, 07:28 PM	#26
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	I already have this article in my inbox Thank you very much!

20th January 2006, 08:24 PM	#27
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Brian, as i expressed in my e-mail to you, YOU ROCK DUDE! I look forward to reading these when i get home. Thanks again.

21st January 2006, 05:15 AM	#28
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	Thanks, received, I'm sure it was a lot of work.

21st January 2006, 06:55 AM	#29
MABAGANI Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 221	Thanks B.I., appreciate it...

21st January 2006, 08:08 AM	#30
MABAGANI Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 221	That was a fantastic read, much to digest so I need to print and reread several times. Reference is great for the previous thread on keris to kris evolution, and everything from early trade, metal, silat, swords, etc. in Southeast Asia.