Head Spear 4

henri · 7th November 2012, 11:16 PM

Dear members ,
I would like to submit you a lot I bought during an auction coming from Baron von Hochstetter collection , Düsseldorf.
I am more keris collector orientated and know nothing about spears so would be happy to understand a little bit more on the origin of these head spears .
Looks like possible different origins ( Aceh ? Sulu Archipelago ? Sumatra ... )

HEAD SPEAR 4 : overall > 380 mm

Note the difference in colour on the blade which is mirror on the other side . Not a stain but probably different kind of steel / iron used during forging ....

Rick · 7th November 2012, 11:44 PM

I have two examples of this form .
Mandaya, Mindanao; possibly trade pieces from 'Indonesia' (of that time) .

henri · 8th November 2012, 12:36 AM

Thank you Rick for your reply .

You are right ... just after your reply I browsed different sites and found a similar head spear with these comments :

" Rare Mandaya undecorated paneled spear head :
This exceptional piece was exhibited at the Pan American Exposition 1904.
A seldom seen spear head of the Mandaya people of East Mindanao made of finely watered steel; this piece originally from the collection of the Philippine Provisional Governor U.S. General Harold Bandholtz. Probably collected after General Pershing's order #11 to disarm the local tribes.

Shaft length: Shafts not included. When mounted this spear is approximately 274 cm long. Shaft wood is Palma Brava with forged iron conical cap at the end. "

Blade length: 31.2 cm
Source: www.arscives.com

Rick · 8th November 2012, 01:02 AM

^^^
Mine .

One of my examples shows the same color variation that your example does .
I have also seen these spear points in a tanged configuration .
Come to think of it; your example may be the only socketed Mandaya spear head that I have seen other than my two .
I lie .

Rare Beasties ....

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=mandaya+spear

Nonoy Tan · 8th November 2012, 01:27 AM

Mandaya indeed.

However, I don't think there was a Pan American Exposition in 1904. Perhaps, St. Louis Exposition of 1904.

Gen. Harold Bandholtz or Gen. Harry Hill Bandholtz?

I suspect that all those spears you posted are from Southern Philippines.

Battara · 8th November 2012, 03:19 AM

I also have 2 of these Mandaya spearheads.........

8th November 2012, 12:36 AM	#3
henri Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 81	Thank you Rick for your reply . You are right ... just after your reply I browsed different sites and found a similar head spear with these comments : " Rare Mandaya undecorated paneled spear head : This exceptional piece was exhibited at the Pan American Exposition 1904. A seldom seen spear head of the Mandaya people of East Mindanao made of finely watered steel; this piece originally from the collection of the Philippine Provisional Governor U.S. General Harold Bandholtz. Probably collected after General Pershing's order #11 to disarm the local tribes. Shaft length: Shafts not included. When mounted this spear is approximately 274 cm long. Shaft wood is Palma Brava with forged iron conical cap at the end. " Blade length: 31.2 cm Source: www.arscives.com Attached Images

8th November 2012, 01:02 AM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Yes ^^^ Mine . One of my examples shows the same color variation that your example does . I have also seen these spear points in a tanged configuration . Come to think of it; your example may be the only socketed Mandaya spear head that I have seen other than my two . I lie . Rare Beasties .... http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=mandaya+spear Last edited by Rick; 8th November 2012 at 01:25 AM.

7th November 2012, 11:16 PM	#1
henri Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 81	Head Spear 4 Dear members , I would like to submit you a lot I bought during an auction coming from Baron von Hochstetter collection , Düsseldorf. I am more keris collector orientated and know nothing about spears so would be happy to understand a little bit more on the origin of these head spears . Looks like possible different origins ( Aceh ? Sulu Archipelago ? Sumatra ... ) HEAD SPEAR 4 : overall > 380 mm Note the difference in colour on the blade which is mirror on the other side . Not a stain but probably different kind of steel / iron used during forging .... Attached Images

7th November 2012, 11:44 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	I have two examples of this form . Mandaya, Mindanao; possibly trade pieces from 'Indonesia' (of that time) .

8th November 2012, 01:27 AM	#5
Nonoy Tan Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 293	Mandaya indeed. However, I don't think there was a Pan American Exposition in 1904. Perhaps, St. Louis Exposition of 1904. Gen. Harold Bandholtz or Gen. Harry Hill Bandholtz? I suspect that all those spears you posted are from Southern Philippines.

8th November 2012, 03:19 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,342	I also have 2 of these Mandaya spearheads.........