ORIENTAL FLINTLOCK IN THE FRENCH STYLE

Cerjak · 12th February 2012, 05:49 PM

I had already post this thread in Ethnographic Weapons forum and I still need help ..
This gun is with oriental marks on the barell ,butt plate ,lock and ramrod,the trigger gard look like the 1816/22 french model but the lock is different,the stock capucine and ramrod similar than french Napoleon model.an IX /1822
Who can tell me more about this gun
Any comment will be welcome .
Cerjak

Cerjak · 13th February 2012, 05:52 PM

Marks from the ramrod butplate &barrel I hope it will help to know the origine from this gun

fernando · 13th February 2012, 10:17 PM

Hi Cerjak,
Could it be that this musket was imported into an Arab speaking country and the marks are not from the maker but from the national inspector ?

TVV · 13th February 2012, 11:11 PM

My guess would be Ottoman marks, perhaps from the Tufekhane in Istanbul, where a lot of European imported arms for the Ottoman Empire were repaired and refitted. After all, in the first half of the 19th century, while the flintlock mechanism was still not replaced by percussion locks, only the Ottomans and Egypt (nominally part of the Ottoman Empire) were maintaining standing armies trained and armed in Western fashion.
Regards,
Teodor

Cerjak · 14th February 2012, 08:48 AM

Dear TTV & Fernando

Please have a look in my new photos from the stock and the lock.
The work from the lock is definitively not from a French lock maker you could see the diffence of quality between one french made and this one.
For the stock all those holes are typical from Oriental gun.
So I guess that this gun was not imported but made out of Europe.
I had already ask to many people bur still nobody could tell me more about this gun.
Regards

Jean-Luc

TVV · 16th February 2012, 08:11 AM

Cerjak,
Sorry I cannot help you more. Attached is a photo of a page from a Turkish book on firearms, which shows a European style musket with supposedly an Ottoman lock. Not the same as yours, but there are some similarities. Unfortunately, I do not understand any Turkish and so I really do not know what the description says. Also, keep in mind that Turkish museum workers have a tendencay tod escribe everything as Ottoman, from Arab tribal matchlocks to Winchesters used in the Russo-Turkish war of 1877-78.
Regards,
Teodor

12th February 2012, 05:49 PM	#1
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	ORIENTAL FLINTLOCK IN THE FRENCH STYLE I had already post this thread in Ethnographic Weapons forum and I still need help .. This gun is with oriental marks on the barell ,butt plate ,lock and ramrod,the trigger gard look like the 1816/22 french model but the lock is different,the stock capucine and ramrod similar than french Napoleon model.an IX /1822 Who can tell me more about this gun Any comment will be welcome . Cerjak Attached Images

13th February 2012, 05:52 PM	#2
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	MARKS FOR TRANSLATION Marks from the ramrod butplate &barrel I hope it will help to know the origine from this gun Attached Images

14th February 2012, 08:48 AM	#5
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Dear TTV & Fernando Please have a look in my new photos from the stock and the lock. The work from the lock is definitively not from a French lock maker you could see the diffence of quality between one french made and this one. For the stock all those holes are typical from Oriental gun. So I guess that this gun was not imported but made out of Europe. I had already ask to many people bur still nobody could tell me more about this gun. Regards Jean-Luc Attached Images

16th February 2012, 08:11 AM	#6
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,614	Cerjak, Sorry I cannot help you more. Attached is a photo of a page from a Turkish book on firearms, which shows a European style musket with supposedly an Ottoman lock. Not the same as yours, but there are some similarities. Unfortunately, I do not understand any Turkish and so I really do not know what the description says. Also, keep in mind that Turkish museum workers have a tendencay tod escribe everything as Ottoman, from Arab tribal matchlocks to Winchesters used in the Russo-Turkish war of 1877-78. Regards, Teodor Attached Images

13th February 2012, 10:17 PM	#3
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi Cerjak, Could it be that this musket was imported into an Arab speaking country and the marks are not from the maker but from the national inspector ?

13th February 2012, 11:11 PM	#4
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,614	My guess would be Ottoman marks, perhaps from the Tufekhane in Istanbul, where a lot of European imported arms for the Ottoman Empire were repaired and refitted. After all, in the first half of the 19th century, while the flintlock mechanism was still not replaced by percussion locks, only the Ottomans and Egypt (nominally part of the Ottoman Empire) were maintaining standing armies trained and armed in Western fashion. Regards, Teodor