Recent ebay kris

Nirghosa · 21st April 2010, 01:00 AM

Greetings, long time reader but finally sent in my membership recently.

I've been collecting Moro and PI weaponry for some time. In fact I have my first kampilan on it's way UPS to me right now. Hopefully I'll have pictures soon to post here for comment.

This recently went on ebay and I was narrowly outbid. It is an unusual form and wondered what the members here thought.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Sword-Ol...item3cabf07618

Rick · 21st April 2010, 04:14 AM

I have a fair amount of Moro weaponry .
This is a real riddle; round tang, no gangya, no asang asang,crude detailing .

I'm guessing non-Moro in origin .

Welcome !

Battara · 21st April 2010, 04:24 AM

I have never seen a Moro kris like this. Might be an early form and heavily corroded. Hard to tell for sure. I am thinking based on the pictures so far it is not Moro.

mross · 21st April 2010, 07:11 PM

It as some characteristics similiar to one I have on this thread;

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3198

Could it be Bagobo/Kaolo?

Battara · 21st April 2010, 08:26 PM

Actually I was entertaining the thought of it being Visayan (based on the hilt)......

kai · 21st April 2010, 09:09 PM

Welcome to the active members guild of the forum!

Yes, IMHO there is a good possibility that this may be from one of the Lumad peoples: The non-traditional hilt, work at the gangya area, as well as the flat tang tapering into a longish round tip doesn't look like traditional Moro work. OTOH, I guess that a sound cleaning, polishing and etching will reveal this to lack a seperate gangya and from the craftmanship I believe this blade is post-WW2 which would also allow for other non-traditional origins. (I'm pretty sure this isn't an early blade.)

There's still a chance that the blade is laminated and I'd suggest to check it out. Please give it a try and post some more pics!

Regards,
Kai

Nirghosa · 22nd April 2010, 12:59 AM

Many thanks for all the suggestions. Just to clarify, I did not end up as the lucky owner. I had hoped to get it as I have an attraction for the forlorn and odd. Plus as a practitioner the blade's form spoke to me, it is appealing. At a minimum I would have made a trainer copy to play with.
And all the additonal links was very interesting reading! It does seem to have many of the aspects of Lumad as well as Bagobo

On the positive, I did receive my new Kampilan today and will be posting pics soon. It is quite a nice piece and I noticed inlays that I had not noticed before.

21st April 2010, 01:00 AM	#1
Nirghosa Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 119	Recent ebay kris Greetings, long time reader but finally sent in my membership recently. I've been collecting Moro and PI weaponry for some time. In fact I have my first kampilan on it's way UPS to me right now. Hopefully I'll have pictures soon to post here for comment. This recently went on ebay and I was narrowly outbid. It is an unusual form and wondered what the members here thought. http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Sword-Ol...item3cabf07618 Attached Images

21st April 2010, 04:14 AM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	I have a fair amount of Moro weaponry . This is a real riddle; round tang, no gangya, no asang asang,crude detailing . I'm guessing non-Moro in origin . Welcome !

21st April 2010, 04:24 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,221	I have never seen a Moro kris like this. Might be an early form and heavily corroded. Hard to tell for sure. I am thinking based on the pictures so far it is not Moro.

21st April 2010, 07:11 PM	#4
mross Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 478	It as some characteristics similiar to one I have on this thread; http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3198 Could it be Bagobo/Kaolo?

21st April 2010, 08:26 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,221	Actually I was entertaining the thought of it being Visayan (based on the hilt)......

21st April 2010, 09:09 PM	#6
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Welcome to the active members guild of the forum! Yes, IMHO there is a good possibility that this may be from one of the Lumad peoples: The non-traditional hilt, work at the gangya area, as well as the flat tang tapering into a longish round tip doesn't look like traditional Moro work. OTOH, I guess that a sound cleaning, polishing and etching will reveal this to lack a seperate gangya and from the craftmanship I believe this blade is post-WW2 which would also allow for other non-traditional origins. (I'm pretty sure this isn't an early blade.) There's still a chance that the blade is laminated and I'd suggest to check it out. Please give it a try and post some more pics! Regards, Kai

22nd April 2010, 12:59 AM	#7
Nirghosa Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 119	Many thanks for all the suggestions. Just to clarify, I did not end up as the lucky owner. I had hoped to get it as I have an attraction for the forlorn and odd. Plus as a practitioner the blade's form spoke to me, it is appealing. At a minimum I would have made a trainer copy to play with. And all the additonal links was very interesting reading! It does seem to have many of the aspects of Lumad as well as Bagobo On the positive, I did receive my new Kampilan today and will be posting pics soon. It is quite a nice piece and I noticed inlays that I had not noticed before.