where this one came from?

ferrylaki · 1st December 2009, 04:32 AM

I met this keris yesterday. It came in a jogjanese sandalwood gayaman.
The keris it self shows a very beautiful whelding pattern, the iron and the slorok really amazed me. I really need the Information about its origin. is it a javanese keris or a malay keris/palembang?

Battara · 1st December 2009, 04:43 AM

Java?

David · 1st December 2009, 05:10 AM

I think when it is from might be as interesting a question as where it is from.

ferrylaki · 1st December 2009, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Java?

First time I saw this keris, I thought it was a javanese keris. but then I realize that the sor-soran part like the sogokan is too long , the 'pijetan' is too shallow, the ' jalen' is like palembang keris. the shape it self is wide with 'gusen along the keris to the top.

A. G. Maisey · 1st December 2009, 05:42 AM

Doesn't look much Like Jowo to me Ferry --- rondha, sogokan, blumbangan, kembang kacang, pawakan, gandik.Even the material. From the pic I cannot guess where it might be from. Maybe Jawa Timur? Or maybe Sumatera Selatan?
Somewhere with Jawa influence but not a direct connection.

ferrylaki · 1st December 2009, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Doesn't look much Like Jowo to me Ferry --- rondha, sogokan, blumbangan, kembang kacang, pawakan, gandik.Even the material. From the pic I cannot guess where it might be from. Maybe Jawa Timur? Or maybe Sumatera Selatan?
Somewhere with Jawa influence but not a direct connection.

I agree with you Alan.
I can not be a java keris. the pijetan is wide and tall and shallow.
the material shows so much slorok. and doesnt look like a javanese material.

David · 1st December 2009, 04:44 PM

Ferry, by "slorok" are you referring to the "window" of darker iron at the center of the blade? I don't believe i have ever here the word applied in this manner.

A. G. Maisey · 1st December 2009, 10:36 PM

David, the word "slorok" can have a number of meanings, it can mean something that slides over something else, or it can mean a drawer, but when we apply it to a keris blade, we are talking about the core of the blade, the relationship being that the core is something that we have slid between the two billets of pamor material in the making of the blade.

There is another application with keris too, in some pendok there is a loose panel that slides down behind a filigreed panel in the front of the pendok, this loose backing panel is the slorok; in some other types of pendok it can be the major loose front panel that is the slorok.

David · 1st December 2009, 11:43 PM

Thanks Alan. That makes sense and is what i assumed was meant here. I am familiar with the other references you mention, but i just wanted some clarification on this one.

ferrylaki · 2nd December 2009, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by David

Thanks Alan. That makes sense and is what i assumed was meant here. I am familiar with the other references you mention, but i just wanted some clarification on this one.

Thank You guys for your responses. I'm still confuse about its origin.
for this moment I just conclude this is not a javanese keris.

1st December 2009, 04:32 AM	#1
ferrylaki Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 285	where this one came from? I met this keris yesterday. It came in a jogjanese sandalwood gayaman. The keris it self shows a very beautiful whelding pattern, the iron and the slorok really amazed me. I really need the Information about its origin. is it a javanese keris or a malay keris/palembang? Attached Images

1st December 2009, 04:43 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Java?

1st December 2009, 05:10 AM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,123	I think when it is from might be as interesting a question as where it is from.

1st December 2009, 05:42 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	Doesn't look much Like Jowo to me Ferry --- rondha, sogokan, blumbangan, kembang kacang, pawakan, gandik.Even the material. From the pic I cannot guess where it might be from. Maybe Jawa Timur? Or maybe Sumatera Selatan? Somewhere with Jawa influence but not a direct connection.

1st December 2009, 04:44 PM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,123	Ferry, by "slorok" are you referring to the "window" of darker iron at the center of the blade? I don't believe i have ever here the word applied in this manner.

1st December 2009, 10:36 PM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	David, the word "slorok" can have a number of meanings, it can mean something that slides over something else, or it can mean a drawer, but when we apply it to a keris blade, we are talking about the core of the blade, the relationship being that the core is something that we have slid between the two billets of pamor material in the making of the blade. There is another application with keris too, in some pendok there is a loose panel that slides down behind a filigreed panel in the front of the pendok, this loose backing panel is the slorok; in some other types of pendok it can be the major loose front panel that is the slorok.

1st December 2009, 11:43 PM	#9
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,123	Thanks Alan. That makes sense and is what i assumed was meant here. I am familiar with the other references you mention, but i just wanted some clarification on this one.