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This ended on ebay awhile ago;
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWNX:IT Thoughts, comments? |
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Not to contradict the Seller, but I see plenty of pits .
![]() Judging from the picture the blade looks heavily cleaned . Did you win this ? ![]() BTW....... Did I mention how much I hate eBay's new picture system ? ![]() |
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Nice Budiak, ok it's pitted and cleaned but nice. But also expensive.
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My impression also Sajen .
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Does this type of spear always have such a short tang?
What is the method of use? |
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I think for spears of this quality stabbing and thrusting . Pictures of simulated combat in this thread . Lots of Budiaks shown . http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=budiak IIRC Spunjer has an example with a thumb rest right up near the ferrule . |
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IT is more a lance than a throwing spear.
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Andrew, I will not go so far as to say I hate Ebay. In fact, I have very little to do with Ebay. However, I will say that there are elements of the Ebay experience that I distinctly dislike.
On the design of this spear head. To my limited understanding this tang is faulty design. A spear head that is intended for thrusting should have a tang of sufficient length to allow it to withstand the transverse forces of human body weight. You can see this design feature in spear heads from Jawa and Bali, and also in some European spear heads. Also, a spear head of this size would require a very big, strong man to use it. Think Big Arni body type. Considering the superb craftsmanship found in this spear head I am inclined to think it may have been created as a display piece, either purely for display, or for some ceremonial purpose. |
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Often this was dealt with by a heavy brass ferrule of some length reinforced with heavier rings strategically placed .
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Yeah, I can see how a rigid ferrule like that could add a lot of strength.
In the old Javanese fighting spears there was often no ferrule at all, the place of the ferrule was taken by a cord binding, so naturally you needed a nice long tang. But still, this is pretty solid sort of blade. Stick it on the end of a six foot shaft and I don't reckon you have something that could be moved around quickly by anybody except a very, very strong man. And a whacking great heavy blade in a spear doesn't really do the job any better than a small light blade. I think I might be missing something here, because to my mind, something like this has no purpose other than some sort of display. |
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it's not as bulky or heavy as you might think. on the average, i've seen kampilans and battle krises heavier that these budiaks. with shaft exceeding 7+ feet, it's actually well balance. this, coupled with a shield, makes a formidable weapon.
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Spunger is right and there are old pictures of Moros doing war dances with these spears.
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Yeah, I guess you'd have to handle it to really understand. I'm just comparing the apparent mass with what I know, and this spear is certainly different in many ways from what I know to be effective weapon design from a few different places.
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My twistcore spear is complete, 8 feet long, and very light.
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"Considering the superb craftsmanship found in this spear head I am inclined to think it may have been created as a display piece, either purely for display, or for some ceremonial purpose." I also have agreement with this and the twist core thing, but that will be another thread. |
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This is an elegant large fighting spear that probably belonged to someone of rank and was carried by a retainer .
Ceremonial, yes . These old eyes see what appears to be battle damage on the edges; lots of nicks . I think it has seen war . ![]() Will you run a Lime over it when it arrives ? ![]() |
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You betcha! Which is why I did not care if it had been cleaned, saves me the trouble.
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Looking forward to before and after pictures .
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I love PI/Moro twistcores - unexpected and artfully done. That is why I own 3 (Bagobo bolo, Sulu kris, spear)
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hmmm....i think i could live with the pits...
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Sure. Actually double twist core here is a picture:
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