Possible Mandaya Spear Head?

Lew · 4th April 2010, 07:05 PM

Just picked this up on ebay. Seems to be Mandaya?

Battara · 4th April 2010, 08:58 PM

Does look Mandaya in profile and form, although it does not have the details engraved into it.

Ferguson · 5th April 2010, 01:44 AM

I think you paid too much.

Just kidding.

From "The History of Steel in Eastern Asia" by the Macao Museum of Art:

"Mandaya spears are double edged with a central ridge and a distinct V-point. Spearheads are socketed to the shaft instead of a tang. Occasionally there is fine chiseling and paneling (#29). "

This one seems to fit the bill. Can't tell from the pics if it's socketed or tanged, though.

Nice!
Steve

Battara · 5th April 2010, 02:24 AM

From here I can tell it is socketed.

Lew · 9th April 2010, 10:06 PM

The spear arrived today and I cleaned it up funny it seems to have a plastic ring separating the head from the socket? There is part of the shaft still stuck in the socket and it appears to made of bahi or palm wood lots of small black dots in the cross section.

Rick · 9th April 2010, 10:13 PM

Can you see a tang inside the socket ?

A couple of examples of the metuk to socket transition .

Lew · 9th April 2010, 10:27 PM

Nope a piece of the shaft is still embedded in the socket.

Rick · 9th April 2010, 10:41 PM

It may be a tanged head stuck in a heavy ferrule .

The profile is similar; the Mandaya spears in my collection have blades that are sword thick (1/4") or less; much thinner in cross section than a Moro spear.

I really haven't seen enough of these to get much of an opinion on standards .
I remember Bill had acquired a beautiful example in the not so distant past .

Paging Bill M.

Here we are .
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=mandaya+spear

Battara · 10th April 2010, 12:11 AM

PLASTIC!?!?

Damage in the past?

Lew · 10th April 2010, 01:54 PM

What drill bit can I use to bore out the broken wood shaft that is stuck inside the ferrule?

Rick · 10th April 2010, 04:37 PM

How far inside is the shaft ?

If you can I'd suggest a screw be put into the shaft end .
Tie or wrap strong wire around it .
While heating the ferrule it might be possible to pull the shaft tip from the softened adhesive .

kronckew · 10th April 2010, 05:03 PM

that grey 'plastic' ring looks like someone filled in a gap with epoxy-steel.

Lew · 10th April 2010, 05:03 PM

Rick I tried that and no luck need to drill it out.

Rick · 10th April 2010, 05:11 PM

That will be a nasty job Lew .
Good luck .

Got aircraft bits ?

Lew · 10th April 2010, 05:18 PM

A 3/8" auger bit may do the job?

Rick · 10th April 2010, 08:11 PM

Amazon's got a 12" long 5/16 available .
Might be worth it .

http://www.amazon.com/HSELD-5-Speed-...0922789&sr=1-1

4th April 2010, 07:05 PM	#1
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Possible Mandaya Spear Head? Just picked this up on ebay. Seems to be Mandaya? Attached Images

9th April 2010, 10:06 PM	#5
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	The spear arrived today and I cleaned it up funny it seems to have a plastic ring separating the head from the socket? There is part of the shaft still stuck in the socket and it appears to made of bahi or palm wood lots of small black dots in the cross section. Attached Images

9th April 2010, 10:13 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Can you see a tang inside the socket ? A couple of examples of the metuk to socket transition . Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 9th April 2010 at 10:28 PM.

4th April 2010, 08:58 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	Does look Mandaya in profile and form, although it does not have the details engraved into it.

5th April 2010, 01:44 AM	#3
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	I think you paid too much. Just kidding. From "The History of Steel in Eastern Asia" by the Macao Museum of Art: "Mandaya spears are double edged with a central ridge and a distinct V-point. Spearheads are socketed to the shaft instead of a tang. Occasionally there is fine chiseling and paneling (#29). " This one seems to fit the bill. Can't tell from the pics if it's socketed or tanged, though. Nice! Steve

5th April 2010, 02:24 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	From here I can tell it is socketed.

9th April 2010, 10:27 PM	#7
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Nope a piece of the shaft is still embedded in the socket.

9th April 2010, 10:41 PM	#8
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	It may be a tanged head stuck in a heavy ferrule . The profile is similar; the Mandaya spears in my collection have blades that are sword thick (1/4") or less; much thinner in cross section than a Moro spear. I really haven't seen enough of these to get much of an opinion on standards . I remember Bill had acquired a beautiful example in the not so distant past . Paging Bill M. Here we are . http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=mandaya+spear

10th April 2010, 12:11 AM	#9
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	PLASTIC!?!? Damage in the past?

10th April 2010, 01:54 PM	#10
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	What drill bit can I use to bore out the broken wood shaft that is stuck inside the ferrule?

10th April 2010, 04:37 PM	#11
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	How far inside is the shaft ? If you can I'd suggest a screw be put into the shaft end . Tie or wrap strong wire around it . While heating the ferrule it might be possible to pull the shaft tip from the softened adhesive .

10th April 2010, 05:03 PM	#12
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,186	that grey 'plastic' ring looks like someone filled in a gap with epoxy-steel.

10th April 2010, 05:11 PM	#14
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	That will be a nasty job Lew . Good luck . Got aircraft bits ?

10th April 2010, 05:18 PM	#15
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	A 3/8" auger bit may do the job?

10th April 2010, 08:11 PM	#16
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Amazon's got a 12" long 5/16 available . Might be worth it . http://www.amazon.com/HSELD-5-Speed-...0922789&sr=1-1