morro keris of keris sundang ??????????

semar · 14th March 2010, 10:16 PM

hello guys ho can tel me more about this keris

regards semar

ThePepperSkull · 14th March 2010, 10:40 PM

Definitely a Keris Sundang.

I'm not as familiar with them as I am with Moro kris (which admittedly I'm still not very knowledgable in compared to most here).

Interesting that this is an almost Javanese Keris-like pamor blade instead of a more mildly etched steel moro-style kris blade. I find that there's a lot of both in the Keris Sundang Melayu.

Rick · 14th March 2010, 10:47 PM

Into the Warung it goes ...

danny1976 · 14th March 2010, 11:28 PM

Hoi Hans,

The Scabbard and hilt looks indeed as a Sundang Malayu .
But the pamor and the marangi looks a little javanese...

gr,

danny

semar · 14th March 2010, 11:35 PM

oke thank you

regards semar

David · 15th March 2010, 12:36 AM

Dimensions???

A. G. Maisey · 15th March 2010, 02:05 AM

Another intensely interesting piece!!!

What will we see next??

Amuk Murugul · 15th March 2010, 04:05 AM

Hullo everybody!

Reminds me of Sundangs made by a friend of mine in Kelantan. (Apparently his peers believe he is quite good as a panday, as he has received 'recognition'/'acknowledgement' from them). He sometimes chooses the wood for scabbard cross-pieces or toes which, without closer examination, makes them look like aged ivory. Very nice!

Best,

David · 15th March 2010, 06:47 PM

Still waiting on measurements here...

kai · 16th March 2010, 09:22 AM

Yeah, measurements would be nice.

Definitely not Moro - not any part of it...

Amuk, could you please show an example or two of the work of your friend, please? (Possibly in another thread.)

Regards,
Kai

BluErf · 16th March 2010, 03:55 PM

Ah, franken-sundang - kill it before it escapes!!

David · 16th March 2010, 04:36 PM

SOOOOO Semar, can YOU tell us more about this keris.

Such as it's dimensions and where is comes from. Frankly, as Kai Wee has suggested, it reminds me of the sundangs that Brekele posted a while back, but at least he gave us full disclosure on those as being newly made in Jawa. I find it troubling if sundangs like this are going to be presented with no further information if they are indeed newly made and my fear when i first saw the ones that Brekele was putting together with his friend was that it would not be long before these new hybrids were being passed along to collectors as antique and traditional.

semar · 16th March 2010, 05:54 PM

the totaal of this keris = 55 cm
the lengte from the piont to the ganja 41 cm
I Have buy this keris 10 years ago from A Dutch collector that al that I know
aboud this keris

David · 16th March 2010, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semar

the totaal of this keris = 55 cm
the lengte from the piont to the ganja 41 cm
I Have buy this keris 10 years ago from A Dutch collector that al that I know
aboud this keris

Thanks for your response Semar. With a blade length of 41 cm this appears to be a fairly normal sized keris blade. I don't think throwing a moro style hilt on it makes it a sundang. I would image that this is probably a non-traditional marriage of hilt and blade that somebody thought would make this item unusual and therefore more sellable.

Sajen · 16th March 2010, 09:47 PM

Hello Semar,

is it possible to open the handle to see the pesi?

semar · 17th March 2010, 10:08 AM

halo sajen I have try but its not possible to get the handel of sorry

semar

David · 17th March 2010, 02:45 PM

Is the stirrup (baca-baca, asang-asang) there just for show or is it actually attached to the handle?
I think Sajen is wondering if the pesi is round or flat (like a Moro kris would be).

semar · 17th March 2010, 04:15 PM

hello David the Baca baca is attached to the handel

regards semar

Sajen · 17th March 2010, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Is the stirrup (baca-baca, asang-asang) there just for show or is it actually attached to the handle?
I think Sajen is wondering if the pesi is round or flat (like a Moro kris would be).

Correct!

Battara · 17th March 2010, 07:48 PM

It is an interesting mix, although I would agree - not Moro in any respect.

14th March 2010, 10:16 PM	#1
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	morro keris of keris sundang ?????????? hello guys ho can tel me more about this keris regards semar Attached Images

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ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	Definitely a Keris Sundang. I'm not as familiar with them as I am with Moro kris (which admittedly I'm still not very knowledgable in compared to most here). Interesting that this is an almost Javanese Keris-like pamor blade instead of a more mildly etched steel moro-style kris blade. I find that there's a lot of both in the Keris Sundang Melayu.

14th March 2010, 10:47 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Into the Warung it goes ...

14th March 2010, 11:28 PM	#4
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Hoi Hans, The Scabbard and hilt looks indeed as a Sundang Malayu . But the pamor and the marangi looks a little javanese... gr, danny

14th March 2010, 11:35 PM	#5
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	oke thank you regards semar

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David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,127	Dimensions???

15th March 2010, 02:05 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,897	Another intensely interesting piece!!! What will we see next??

15th March 2010, 04:05 AM	#8
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 460	Hullo everybody! Reminds me of Sundangs made by a friend of mine in Kelantan. (Apparently his peers believe he is quite good as a panday, as he has received 'recognition'/'acknowledgement' from them). He sometimes chooses the wood for scabbard cross-pieces or toes which, without closer examination, makes them look like aged ivory. Very nice! Best,

15th March 2010, 06:47 PM	#9
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,127	Still waiting on measurements here...

16th March 2010, 09:22 AM	#10
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Yeah, measurements would be nice. Definitely not Moro - not any part of it... Amuk, could you please show an example or two of the work of your friend, please? (Possibly in another thread.) Regards, Kai

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BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Ah, franken-sundang - kill it before it escapes!!

16th March 2010, 04:36 PM	#12
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,127	SOOOOO Semar, can YOU tell us more about this keris. Such as it's dimensions and where is comes from. Frankly, as Kai Wee has suggested, it reminds me of the sundangs that Brekele posted a while back, but at least he gave us full disclosure on those as being newly made in Jawa. I find it troubling if sundangs like this are going to be presented with no further information if they are indeed newly made and my fear when i first saw the ones that Brekele was putting together with his friend was that it would not be long before these new hybrids were being passed along to collectors as antique and traditional.

16th March 2010, 05:54 PM	#13
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	the totaal of this keris = 55 cm the lengte from the piont to the ganja 41 cm I Have buy this keris 10 years ago from A Dutch collector that al that I know aboud this keris

16th March 2010, 09:47 PM	#15
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,788	Hello Semar, is it possible to open the handle to see the pesi?

17th March 2010, 10:08 AM	#16
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	halo sajen I have try but its not possible to get the handel of sorry semar

17th March 2010, 02:45 PM	#17
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,127	Is the stirrup (baca-baca, asang-asang) there just for show or is it actually attached to the handle? I think Sajen is wondering if the pesi is round or flat (like a Moro kris would be).

17th March 2010, 04:15 PM	#18
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	hello David the Baca baca is attached to the handel regards semar

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Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	It is an interesting mix, although I would agree - not Moro in any respect.