Unknown Hilt

A. G. Maisey · 23rd November 2010, 10:27 PM

Things are a bit quiet here lately, so I thought I'd throw this hilt into the ring and see what thoughts on origin might be generated.

It has puzzled me for a long time.

Anybody got any ideas where it might come from?

Gustav · 23rd November 2010, 11:34 PM

It looks like a fusion between badek and keris bugis hilt.

kai · 24th November 2010, 01:00 AM

Hello Alan,

AFAIK this type of hilt is associated with the Jambi region - pics of some more examples can be found in Karsten's kris disk.

Your hilt seems to be another nice flamboyant variant!

Regards,
Kai

A. G. Maisey · 24th November 2010, 01:20 AM

Thanks Kai.

It came off a Peninsula style keris --- the owner wouldn't sell me the keris, but he replaced this hilt with an ivory one and let me have the hilt.

Sajen · 24th November 2010, 02:00 AM

Hello Alan,

can give the same information like Kai, I know this style as Jambi hilt.
Look for example here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8196

Best regards,

Detlef

David · 24th November 2010, 03:50 AM

Forgive Detlef, but this doesn't look like the same same style hilt at all.

BigG · 24th November 2010, 08:30 AM

I have seen this variant once before... But i cant for the life of me recall where...

A. G. Maisey · 24th November 2010, 08:41 AM

Pages 27, 28, 29 of Sumatera section 3 in Jensen's Krisdisk does show similar hilts that he names as Jambi.

Thanks for the pointer.

Amuk Murugul · 24th November 2010, 08:52 AM

Hullo everybody,

Just off the cuff ..... it reminds me of a Peninsular Kakatua hilt.

Best,

BluErf · 24th November 2010, 04:27 PM

I've seen a few examples of this type of hilt on kerises auctioned on ebay. The kerises all look Sumatran to me. Someone told me these are Jambi in origin, but I think it could the source of the information could have come from the same one that everyone is quoting here.

Sajen · 24th November 2010, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Forgive Detlef, but this doesn't look like the same same style hilt at all.

Hello David,

here one more thread where you can similar hilts which are attributed to Jambi.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=jambi

And here a keris from Alam which he attribute also to Jambi:

http://alamshah.fotopic.net/c1230877.html --- just see that this is the keris which is pictured also by Jensen on page 26!

Also when the hilt from my keris don't show direct the same style you can see that it is from the same "family" shown in the links.

Here a picture more from the lateral view from my hilt. I think that you will agree that it is from the same "family".

Best regards,

Detlef

23rd November 2010, 10:27 PM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,893	Unknown Hilt Things are a bit quiet here lately, so I thought I'd throw this hilt into the ring and see what thoughts on origin might be generated. It has puzzled me for a long time. Anybody got any ideas where it might come from? Attached Images

23rd November 2010, 11:34 PM	#2
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,249	It looks like a fusion between badek and keris bugis hilt. Last edited by Gustav; 23rd November 2010 at 11:58 PM.

24th November 2010, 01:00 AM	#3
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Hello Alan, AFAIK this type of hilt is associated with the Jambi region - pics of some more examples can be found in Karsten's kris disk. Your hilt seems to be another nice flamboyant variant! Regards, Kai

24th November 2010, 01:20 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,893	Thanks Kai. It came off a Peninsula style keris --- the owner wouldn't sell me the keris, but he replaced this hilt with an ivory one and let me have the hilt.

24th November 2010, 02:00 AM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Hello Alan, can give the same information like Kai, I know this style as Jambi hilt. Look for example here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8196 Best regards, Detlef

24th November 2010, 03:50 AM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,124	Forgive Detlef, but this doesn't look like the same same style hilt at all.

24th November 2010, 08:30 AM	#7
BigG Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Singapore Posts: 75	I have seen this variant once before... But i cant for the life of me recall where...

24th November 2010, 08:41 AM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,893	Pages 27, 28, 29 of Sumatera section 3 in Jensen's Krisdisk does show similar hilts that he names as Jambi. Thanks for the pointer.

24th November 2010, 08:52 AM	#9
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 460	Hullo everybody, Just off the cuff ..... it reminds me of a Peninsular Kakatua hilt. Best,

24th November 2010, 04:27 PM	#10
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	I've seen a few examples of this type of hilt on kerises auctioned on ebay. The kerises all look Sumatran to me. Someone told me these are Jambi in origin, but I think it could the source of the information could have come from the same one that everyone is quoting here.